Jerry,
My 1980 CFX-10 frame is built with a standard 118 mm Stronglight double bb spindle for its 106 crank. I had used a 120 mm spindle initially, but the chain line wasn't quite right. Shifting is much better with the slightly shorter spindle.
Despite the obvious resemblance between the Stronglight 106 and the Campagnolo SR cranks, the Campy is a little thicker in the mid-section, and can probably get by with a shorter spindle and still avoid clearance problems on the chainstays. You may remember an evaluation of cranks in Bicycling magazine, 1984. The 106 was the second lightest crankset in the test (beat only by an Edco Competion Aero), but it was also one of the more flexible cranks--that lightweight Edco had the most deflection with horizontal crank position. The Campy Nuovo Record (SR wasn't tested) was in the middle of the pack.
I have never tried a 106 with a Campagnolo bb--might be interesting to check it out. I can't tell you about the best Phil bb for either one, but would have to suspect that given the 4mm difference in length for the two, that the asymmetric116 would be more suitable for the Stronglight (as long as your stays are thin--otherwise go for the 119)and the 113 would be more suited for the NR/SR.
Let me know how they work. By the way, I would really like some photos of your Haral when you finish it. You bought this one right before I hit the buy it now button. I was so disappointed, and had even pulled out a NOS 27.4 seatpost for it!
Best,
Galen Poole
Jackson, MS
>I bought 3 Phil BB's on eBay last fall and just finished exchanging them
>for Phil 119mm +4 BB's, which the list advised was the right one for old
>Stronglight triples. Phil Wood customer service was very helpful about
>exchanging axle lengths and the cost was extremely reasonable. Phil Wood,
>in my opinion, is one of the greatest companies in the business.
>
> Now that I have the triples covered, however, I need a Swiss BB for the
> rather rare French Haral frame I bought not long ago. Probably originally
> used a Swiss thread Edco sealed BB, but fat chance finding that, so Phil
> is probably the best option, since they sell Swiss mounting rings. On this
> bike, I'll probably use a Campy NR or clone double, or possibly a
> Stronglight or TA double. Phil Wood currently sells two standard (pre
> 1993 cranks) taper, offset BB's shorter than 119mm. One is 116mm +5, the
> other 113mm +5. Can anyone tell me which would be better for Campy NR?
> For Stronglight/TA doubles? Also does anyone know if the Stronglight 144
> BCD mod 106 and 107 cranks made at the end of the classic era continued to
> use a 118mm double axle and the old Stronglight taper? Or did they go to
> a shorter axle like Campy NR with a taper similar to the Campy?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX