Dear Freek,
Before disagreeing with any comments you might have written, I'll like to tell all what a nice time I had at your place in Holland a week ago. I enjoyed the tour of your bicycles in the garage (with your Volvo having to properly be parked outside). Thanks also for the snacks and walk to the local bike shop where dozens of transportation style bicycles are for sale. The pictures of your beautiful neighborhood are now downloaded into my computer. Most of all you and Toni were just good company for conversation.
Now having said that, I hope you don't mind my observation that a lugged frame requires more craftsmanship - out of me anyway - than a fillet brazed one. Both have their place and purpose. However prepping a lug before assembly and filing it thinner afterward is more labor intensive the way I do it. Also silver brazing tubes together with lugs is a lower temperature process (and therefore theoretically less damaging) than brass fillets. I know you are about to remind me that your Dave Lloyd was silver fillet brazed so that point may be lost. The importance of lugs also has to do with aesthetics. There are times (but not every time) when I just prefer the look. That reminds me how astonished I was at your saddle, handlebar height differential. You replied that it was a matter of aesthetics - sometimes you have to suffer a little so things look right. Your argument works for me about why do the extra effort to make a frame with lugs.
Doug "lugs are my first choice but not my only choice" Fattic Niles, Michigan
From: "F.W. Faro" <faro@cistron.nl> Subject: RE: [CR]Re-newed interest in the classic steel frame and otherramblin Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:56:00 +0200
All,
Having just returned from a short ride on my only-just-on-topic Rossin Record (83), I find the KOF debate flooding my inbox. Apart from observations on ride quality between the different steel bikes I own, I would like to ask this. What's the importance of lugs, either in KOF definition, or older bikes? It seems to me that fillet brazing requires probably more craftsmanship. And craftsmanship is what it's all about? Yes?
Freek 'proud owner of two fillet brazed, custom built, steel, bikes' Faro Rotterdam Netherlands
PS: now I have to find some time to finish building up the Scandium frame that's been lying around here. Will it ride better/same/worse as my beloved Dave Lloyd???
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