I must toss in a 2 cents email here. I agree...great post. Tons of good and truthful info. I disagree regarding getting Mike Frayse to come to our list. I have been to the renovated home in glen spey, ny. I was at the mike frayse camp for track. I rode my bike on those very rural roads...and listened to Mike and his many tales of wonder over supper...and as I always say...I am sure that one or two of the dozens stories might even be true. He had great things all around the house with great pictures, books, info, etc...BUT....I prefer factual over fiction though. Which is why there is so much confusion over the Paris-Sport brand also...if he told me Masi built one of his bikes...I would have to talk to Masi myself to believe it. his credibility is a bit lax...almost as much as his use of the english language which often reflects the F word every other word for some reason.
Sorry if I offend anyone...
Walter Skrzypek Falls Creek, Pa
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net> Sent: Sep 16, 2005 8:12 PM To: emeneff@earthlink.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]A long reminiscence Re:Paris Sport
A nominee for top ten post of the year. Every once and a while we get this info (like Ted Ernst) from the people who were there. This is nor an attaboy but actually an idea for a top ten informative post concept.
Joe Bender-Zanoni Great Notch, NJ
emeneff@earthlink.net wrote:
> Dear Listies,
>
>
> In reference to the confusion about Paris Sport and the numerous
> framebuilders that worked at the Fraysse's shop over the years I
> thought I might add a little of what I remember.
>
> Paris Sport was a house brand of the Fraysse's shop in Ridgefield
> Park, N.J. The family has a long and VERY significant involvement with
> bike racing in the United States. At one time or another I believe
> Mike, father Vic, and grandfather Emile were all presidents of the
> USCF/ABLA, etc. and they were all very experienced racers of "the old
> school", i.e. heavily into track and old six-day lore, and of course,
> their local bike club, the North Jersey Bicycle Club(NJBC). They often
> managed / coached the Olympic/World Championship trips abroad during
> the "dark ages" of adult cycling in the US (the 40's to the early 70's).
>
> Some of the confusion over the brands and wildly different quality
> levels comes from the fact that the Paris Sport shop imported MANY
> different frames and bikes which they re-badged and decalled as "Paris
> Sport". This is a very smart way to differentiate your bike shop from
> others, and is a common strategy once a shop acheives the size to
> bankroll such importing and wholesaling. The bikes ranged from the
> somewhat generic $150 ten-speed bike boom special/UO-8 clones all the
> way up to Vitus glued aluminum frames. There were also many different
> levels of steel frames brought in from the myriad of smaller bike
> companies which still existed in France. One of them was a company
> named Bernard Dangre', I believe. I can recall going downstairs at
> Paris Sport, into the frame shop at the very rear of the LOOONG store
> (it was once a bowling alley) and seeing dozens and dozens of road and
> track frames hanging up from the ceiling all primed up in flat green,
> just waiting for a buyer's choice of top-coat. None of them was
> exactly top-notch, they were all just production grade decent beginner
> to mid-level frames. I think the Fraysse's used to do a fair amount of
> wholesaling to other bike shops around the bike-boom, so this is also
> why they would have had so many of these kind of things around. They
> would sometimes decal these frames as "Vigorelli" or "Star Nord". The
> Vigorelli's were the better quality frames back in the 80's.
>
> The aforementioned framebuilding shop was located all the way
> downstairs and at the very back of the store. Here is where the likes
> of Pepe' Limongi, Ramon Orero, Dave Moulton, and Andres/Francisco
> Cuevas made and repaired frames. Apologies to the other names I have
> missed. There were a myriad of builders who worked there because the
> frame shop was operated as a sort of separate entity - it was rented
> to the various builders and the Fraysse's would try and steer a lot of
> business to whoever was building there at the time. Sometimes the
> frame shop didn't have a full-time builder. Mike and Vic offered to
> set me up and rent me the shop when I was a youngster trying to learn
> how to build frames back in the early-mid eighties. I was very
> inexperienced but that didn't seem to daunt Mike or Vic - who sort of
> encouraged me and promised that I would "learn as I went" (!) and that
> they would send lots of business my way. In retrospect, I probably
> should have tried it, but it all seemed like there were an awful lot
> of vague verbal assurances and promises, and I was pretty aware of my
> marginal skills at the time.
>
> So the frame shop would sometimes feature transient builders who came
> over to the USA for a time and they would build for a while, get
> homesick or whatever, and then they would move on. Because Paris Sport
> was located a very short distance from New York City the foreigners
> were always relatively close to the various vibrant ethnic
> neighborhoods where they could feel a part of the community.
>
> It was all a very different world in the bicycle business back then. A
> much, much smaller, more insular world where having good contacts
> abroad was perhaps not as easy to acheive as nowadays. The number of
> decent bike shops the size of Paris Sport were very few in the US
> during the 40's to 70's. Especially ones that had experience with
> high-end equipment and clothing.
> One additional aspect of Paris Sport that really impressed me at the
> time was the training and weight room that they had on premises. Now
> that was truly unusual at the time but such a brilliant idea for
> keeping people involved with the bike club and the shop during the
> winter months when business would slow.
> It was all part of an intelligent well-run bike club scene where a new
> rider could rub elbows with experienced riders/racers and "learn the
> ropes" of the arcane, dangerous, and little-known world of bike racing
> at the time. A rider could try their hand at club racing and
> activities BEFORE they entered the fray of "organized" craziness that
> passes for the domestic sport nowadays.
>
> The lack of clubs like the NJBC, with their year-round activities
> (time-trials, road races, training rides, roller races, award dinners,
> social dances, interclub soccer matches, etc. etc.) and ability to
> transform a newbie into an experienced and knowlegible dedicated
> bicycle rider/racer - is what so hampers the current bike scene in the
> US, IMHO. Lots of people riding very expensive bicycles, but with very
> little skill or expertise.
>
> I think Mike Fraysse retired and sold the shop in the early to
> mid-1990's. He went on to purchase and renovate the old Singer family
> (Sewing Machines AND Bicycle company fortunes) estate in NY state. His
> family and him run this as a B&B/retreat and supposedly it is a
> wonderful joint. A good friend of mine went there a few years ago and
> said there is excellent local riding on rural roads with little
> traffic. Hopefully someone on the list knows more about this and can
> provide additional details. It would be great if he would join the
> list ! He would add a wealth of knowledge of bikes and the bike world
> to our humble list, although I understand why someone with so much
> involvement with bikes might want to keep a little distance from the
> topic. So if you do locate him please don't pester him with silly
> questions regarding how to wrap cloth handlebar tape, or whether
> cheapo Atom hubs were better than cheapo Normandy hubs !
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Fabian in San Francisco