Re: [CR] Ideal shape-equivalent to Brooks (Team) Pro?

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Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:08:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR] Ideal shape-equivalent to Brooks (Team) Pro?
From: "Doug Fattic" <fatticbicycles@qtm.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>


An Ideale model that I possess is a 134. It is about the shape of a 90 except it has large copper rivets and an alloy undercarriage. In addition, it is not as tall from the steel round seat post rails to the top of the seat. I wonder if any list members know anything about this model? I have no idea where I bought it, in America or Europe and don't remember seeing one before. I rediscovered it again when the bicycle I made for my wife (then girlfriend) in England was returned to me this summer after having been stolen about 20 years ago. It had been rattle can painted white but the head tube area with my decal had been masked over. On some bicycle forum, the previous owner had asked about he value of a Doug Fattic bicycle. He had bought it at a barn sale.

Leather saddles all have an individual personality. I used to buy the ideale 92 in batches of 10 for customers. About 3 of them would have the right softness from the start and 3 of them would be rock hard and the others would break in over time. I suppose cows, like people, have their differences.

Doug Fattic Niles, Michigan

From: Jerome Moos:

This is a matter of opinion. In terms of cost, quality and position in the product line, the Ideale 90 corresponded to the Brooks Pro. Many Peugeot PX-10s sold in the US came with Brooks Pro, for example, while PX-10s sold in Europe typically came with the Ideale 90.

However, some people will report a large difference in comfort between these two saddles, claiming that one feels great to them, while they never could get comfortable on the other. Personally, these two saddles feel very similar to me. I can easily ride 50 miles on one of them one day and the same distance on the other the next. The comfort of one's backside is obviously a highly personalized matter.

Don Rogers <turning.pedals@gmail.com> wrote: Leather saddle connoisseurs, I need help with an English-to-French translation:

If I fit well on a Brooks (Team) Pro, but I want to put an Ideale saddle on a constructeur-phile project bike, what Ideale model should I track down?

Thanks very much!

Don Rogers
Rumford, RI