[CR]Re Downtube lug angle

(Example: Framebuilding:Tubing:Falck)

From: "Anthony Mezzatesta" <mezzbike1@zoominternet.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <MONKEYFOOD2LXtf80Vn000010e4@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:43:13 -0500
Subject: [CR]Re Downtube lug angle

Hi John,
    61 is the bottom head lug angle, that is a float angle, as I call it, determined by the length of the top tube and angle of the top tube/ head tube joint and of case don't forget the length of the fork. If it's stamped it most likely is a Bocama lug set. I have used 61 degree bottom lugs on occasion. Anthony Mezzatesta Mezzatesta Custom Cycles 909 Berkley Manor Dr. Cranberry Twp, Pa 16066 724 498 4191


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> 1. Re: Re: Cleaning Parts (Doug Fattic)
> 2. Re: Bottom Bracket parts needed (John Thompson)
> 3. Re: Re: Jean Brun, initial once over (John Barry)
> 4. Re: Pic of the Day - Ted Ernst Motorpacing (ternst)
> 5. Re: Re: Cleaning Parts (Nick Zatezalo)
> 6. RE: Re: Cleaning Parts (George Argiris)
> 7. Re: Jean Brun, initial once over (Doug Fattic)
> 8. Re: Re: Ebay Masi Special (David Benson)
> 9. Cleaning Parts (JB Froke)
> 10. Fw: Cleaning Parts w/ sign off (JB Froke)
> 11. Downtube lug angle (Chris Collins)
> 12. Re: Gasoline and danger
> 13. I'm Still Alive (Kendra Coatney)
> 14. Clifford Graves: My Life on Two Wheels (Steven Sweedler)
> 15. Search of 1972 Rickert Pictures (Feeken, Dirk)
> 16. Re: Cleaning parts
> 17. Re:Gasoline works best
> 18. Re: claimed Masi-built Beriano (John Thompson)
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:01:04 -0500
> From: Doug Fattic <fatticbicycles@qtm.net>
> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Re: Cleaning Parts
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> I do a lot of parts cleaning when a bicycle comes in to be reconditioned
> with a new paint job and overhaul. Lets pretend that this might be
> something made before 1983. Because I paint a lot of frames, I tend to use
> products involved with that process. I think other list members would find
> an automotive paint supply store (that would sell DuPont Imron paint for
> example) a real resource for cleaning supplies. A pair of gloves made of
> Nitrile material is much better protection than gloves commonly found in
> hardware or grocery stores. They are designed for protecting your hands
> when cleaning paint spray guns. I use lacquer thinner as a powerful solvent
> for stubborn grease or whatever. I'm sure it isn't people or environment
> friendly but works great. Another useful tool is a brush that looks like a
> tooth brush that withstands these stronger solvents and won't melt when in
> contact with them. An additional product that is sold in this store is a
> paint cleaner used to prepare a painted surface before reapplying more
> paint. It is a much milder solution and won't soften the paint when used
> like lacquer thinner will. It is designed to be just strong enough to get
> rid of surface crud without hurting the paint. It also works as a parts
> cleaner but, again, isn't as strong but is also more user friendly. The
> expensive stuff has an anti-static additive that has no application to
> general cleaning.
>
> I find an ultrasonic cleaner marginally helpful. I commonly use it on
> chains where it is most useful and appreciated and rear derailleurs but
> could live without it. To get really clean, hand brushing always seems
> necessary.
>
> Doug Fattic
> Niles, Michigan
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:59 -0600
> From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> To: John <mrsummit@adelphia.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Bottom Bracket parts needed
> Message-ID: <43F236FB.8050000@new.rr.com>
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> John wrote:
>
> > Say, I'm in need of a "TA" bottom bracket cup set, English
> > thread..... Anybody have a set to sell/trade??
>
> I have a set of English TA cups and lockring, in good condition. I'm
> looking for a Stronglight 93 LEFT crank arm 165mm -- anything out there?
>
> > Also, I'm still looking the elusive fixed cup tool?? I've had some
> > nice alternate suggestions, thanks for the input.
>
> Unless we're talking about different cup styles, the standard Campy-type
> fixed cup tool fits just fine on a TA fixed cup.
>
> --
>
> -John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:09:55 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Barry <usazorro@yahoo.com>
> To: Chris Collins <chris@eorbit.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Jean Brun, initial once over
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> Chris,
>
> I believe 72 would indicate the angle, but 61 would be
> a very strange angle. I suspect 61 here would be the
> seat tube length.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Barry
> Mechanicsburg, PA
>
> --- Chris Collins <chris@eorbit.net> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > The bottom bracket shell does *NOT* have anything
> > stamped on it. From the archive I assume this means
> > they are imitation nervex, correct?
> >
> > The headtube lugs stamped: "72" and "61" are tube
> > angles, correct?
> >
> > There is a little plate brazed onto the left seat
> > stay
> > about half way down. On the plate is a little
> > aluminum
> > box thing screwed onto it, it is stamped
> > "Hebie-Trumpf".
> > There is a slider (which I haven't been able to
> > slide)
> > that goes through the box. The box is
> > approx. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2, the little slider is about
> > 2" long.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > --Chris Collins
> > --Oakland, CA
> >
> >
> > ***** Frame ******
> > Top headtube lug - stamped "72"
> > Bottom headtube lug - stamped "61"
> > Seattube lug - stamped "76904"
> > Bottom bracket shell - ?
> > Seat stay plate: Pletscher (w/rack and brake
> > attachment)
> > Kickstand plate: Pletscher (w/mudguard attachment)
> >
> > Brazeons:
> > -one attachment for a weird thing on left seat stay.
> > A lock?
> >
> > ***** TBD stuff ******
> > Weird thing on seat stay - "Hebie-Trumpf"
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:15:51 -0800
> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> To: "Kristopher Green" <kristopher.green@gmail.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Pic of the Day - Ted Ernst Motorpacing
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> That head cloth is really a small wash cloth to catch persperation. It
> covered a little more than a head band and kept a lot of sweat from rolling
> down and blowing into the eyes at the speeds we were going.
>
> I had no problem ever and signed a lot of autographs on the circuit.Politics
> never seemed to be adverse, and people would like to talk about governments
> and directions, but never directed any unfriendly comments.
>
> If anything I was very welcome and folks enjoyed seeing an American racing,
> as we were more noted for cars than bikes and wanted to know how we survived
> among all the traffic.
> A lot of folks didn't think anyone even rode a bike in the U.S. anymore!
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates, CA
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> From: "Kristopher Green" <kristopher.green@gmail.com>
> To: <ternst1@cox.net>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:27 AM
> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day - Ted Ernst Motorpacing
>
>
> That's a great photo. Ted, is your head bandaged, or are you simply
> wearing something to catch perspiration?
>
> I hope this isn't an insensitive question, but may I ask about the
> reaction to your stars and stripes jersey in Germany at that time?
>
> Kris Green
> Olympia WA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:36:55 -0500 (EST)
> From: Nick Zatezalo <nickzz@mindspring.com>
> To: CR List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Re: Cleaning Parts
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>
> Maybe more frequent routine cleanings are in order.
>
> Do you guys do this more than once a decade?
>
> Vintage grease and grime are not required for period correctness.
>
> Nick Zatezalo
> Atlanta,Ga
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:43:20 -0800
> From: "George Argiris" <George.Argiris@mitchell.com>
> To: "Nick Zatezalo" <nickzz@mindspring.com>,
> "CR List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR] Re: Cleaning Parts
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> Because I wax my chains, I only have to use a de-waxer before I re-wax.
> The rest of the bike never gets grimy.
>
>
> georgeargiris
> Sandiego,ca
>
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> Zatezalo
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: [CR] Re: Cleaning Parts
>
>
> Maybe more frequent routine cleanings are in order.
>
> Do you guys do this more than once a decade?
>
> Vintage grease and grime are not required for period correctness.
>
> Nick Zatezalo
> Atlanta,Ga
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:52:49 -0500
> From: Doug Fattic <fatticbicycles@qtm.net>
> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> <usazorro@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [CR] Re: Jean Brun, initial once over
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> A 61 degree down tube to head tube angle would be common for a frame made
> with a 72 degree head tube to top tube angle. The down tube lug is stamped
> to show what angle it is made.
>
> Doug Fattic
> Niles, Michigan
>
> John wrote:
>
> "I believe 72 would indicate the angle, but 61 would be
> a very strange angle. I suspect 61 here would be the
> seat tube length."
>
> Chris Collins <chris@eorbit.net> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > The bottom bracket shell does *NOT* have anything
> > stamped on it. From the archive I assume this means
> > they are imitation nervex, correct?
> >
> > The headtube lugs stamped: "72" and "61" are tube
> > angles, correct?
> >
> > --Chris Collins
> > --Oakland, CA
> >
> >
> > ***** Frame ******
> > Top headtube lug - stamped "72"
> > Bottom headtube lug - stamped "61"
> > Seattube lug - stamped "76904"
> > Bottom bracket shell - ?
> > Seat stay plate: Pletscher (w/rack and brake
> > attachment)
> > Kickstand plate: Pletscher (w/mudguard attachment)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:54:27 +1100 (EST)
> From: David Benson <bensondoc@yahoo.com.au>
> To: EdVintage63@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Ebay Masi Special
> Message-ID: <20060214205427.80796.qmail@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> This bike is the spitting image of another Special that was on the local New Zealand auction site a few months back.
> Discussion of that frame is at
> http://search.bikelist.org/?SearchString=antipodean%20masi%20special&Sc ope=classicrendezvous
> The 'rare' lugs are Guinticiclo, used only, if memory serves, on 1968 and '69 Specials.
>
> David Benson
> Auckland, NZ
>
> EdVintage63@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/14/2006 1:41:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>
>
> > http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> > Nobody has commented on this bike yet, however, with close to 1500 views
> > so far I don't think that I can ruin anybody's chances of buying the
> > bike by outing it this late in the auction process.
> >
> > As Sergio and Matteo can attest, the bike comes from the 'collection' of
> > a rather eccentric farmer. The fellow is sitting on about 200 bikes and
> > frames. He has them divided between 3 or 4 houses and barns.
> > Unfortunately almost all of the bikes are mongrels that have been
> > assembled from left-over bits. He has however supplied bikes that were
> > used for a number of films. I believe the price will go up quite a bit
> > more from where it now stands.
> >
> > Steven Maasland
> > Moorestown, NJ
> >
>
> I think Jack Gabus outed this bike when it first appeared, to a loud chorus
> of slience. A little weird that the listing mentions a "very rare lug pattern,"
> but provides a whole bunch of photos that show close-ups of everything BUT
> the lugs (no knock on Alessandro as a seller, as I've bought from him before on
> the 'Bay with no problem). Can anyone who sent for the photos (Bob?) comment
> on what the "very rare lug pattern that was not in use very long" might be? A
> batch of Jack-Denny carved Hetchins Magnum Opus lugs that got lost in the mail
> perhaps?
>
> Ed Granger
> Lancaster, PA, USA
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:07:57 -0800
> From: "JB Froke" <jbfroke@msn.com>
> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Cleaning Parts
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> Thanks Pete Naiman, I'm going to try out your recommended ingredients.
> I've already publicly absolved myself of foaming citrus degreasers -
> must not have diluted and-or rinsed properly - after ruining the bright
> finish on a Campy derailleur. And, although I am safe with gasoline, I
> hate the disposal problems. I will bet, however, that I have the
> longest history (in relative terms, anyway) working with the stuff as a
> solvent-cleaner: As a four- and five-year-old "working" in my uncle's
> blacksmith shop -- where in addition to fixing every tractor and combine
> in our No. Dakota countryside, he (or "we") also was the only
> bike-smithy for many miles around -- we washed up every afternoon in an
> open tub of petrol. My aunt was a lunatic ("synsikk") over Uncle
> Tharald scrubbing up the baby with gas and lava soap, but I loved it.
> If I had stayed with them another month, I probably would have taken up
> smoking Camels before starting kindergarten. Vær så god, unnskylde
> et komme bort fra emnet.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:10:53 -0800
> From: "JB Froke" <jbfroke@msn.com>
> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Fw: Cleaning Parts w/ sign off
> Message-ID: <BAY107-DAV186812CFB47D1DE63498D1B8060@phx.gbl>
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> Sorry, I hit send to fast. JB, below ....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JB Froke<mailto:jbfroke@msn.com>
> To: classicrendezvous<mailto:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: February 14, 2006 1:07 PM
> Subject: Cleaning Parts
>
>
> Thanks Pete Naiman, I'm going to try out your recommended ingredients.
> I've already publicly absolved myself of foaming citrus degreasers -
> must not have diluted and-or rinsed properly - after ruining the bright
> finish on a Campy derailleur. And, although I am safe with gasoline, I
> hate the disposal problems. I will bet, however, that I have the
> longest history (in relative terms, anyway) working with the stuff as a
> solvent-cleaner: As a four- and five-year-old "working" in my uncle's
> blacksmith shop -- where in addition to fixing every tractor and combine
> in our No. Dakota countryside, he (or "we") also was the only
> bike-smithy for many miles around -- we washed up every afternoon in an
> open tub of petrol. My aunt was a lunatic ("synsikk") over Uncle
> Tharald scrubbing up the baby with gas and lava soap, but I loved it.
> If I had stayed with them another month, I probably would have taken up
> smoking Camels before starting kindergarten. Vær så god, unnskylde
> et komme bort fra emnet.
>
> JB Froke, Pebble Beach CA 93953
> Happy Valentines Ladies!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:12:52 -0800
> From: Chris Collins <chris@eorbit.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Downtube lug angle
> Message-ID: <20060214131252.A441@eorbit.net>
> In-Reply-To: <20060214200955.33098.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com>;
> from usazorro@yahoo.com on Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 12:09:55PM -0800
> References: <20060214104250.A26327@eorbit.net>
> <20060214200955.33098.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Hello John,
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 12:09:55PM -0800, John Barry wrote:
>
> > but 61 would be a very strange angle.
> > I suspect 61 here would be the seat tube length.
>
> > --- Chris Collins <chris@eorbit.net> wrote:
>
> > > The headtube lugs stamped: "72" and "61" are tube
> > > angles, correct?
>
>
> The '61' is stamped on the downtube lug, the
> headtube/downtube intersection.
>
> I think '61' is the downtube lug angle.
>
> --Chris Collins
> --Oakland, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:37:12 EST
> From: StuartMX4@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Gasoline and danger
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> I would have thought that washing parts in petrol (gasoline) or paraffin
> (kerosene) is far less dangerous than riding a bicycle on roads with other
> traffic.
> Stuart Tallack in West Sussex paranoid about the dangers of everyday life.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:50:10 -0800
> From: Kendra Coatney <masi3vgirl@gmail.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]I'm Still Alive
> Message-ID: <f6a5a5da0602141350sf4e8b67v350ec005621ac55a@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> For those of you who care, read on. For those who don't, delete.
> I have been neglecting my Masi Team 3V (on topic) and not riding at
> all since I got my new job which is keeping me crazy busy. I just
> wanted to pop up and say that I am still alive and still a bike fiend.
> I haven't made any progress building my Raleigh and am all around
> exhausted. I still hope to make it to Greensboro this summer so that
> I can meet you all and hopefully buy a bike. My case (the one
> regarding me getting hit by a van) is closing up but who knows how
> long it will take to get paid.
> Just an update. Hope you all are doing well.
>
> --
> Kendra Coatney
> Seattle, Washington, USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:24:52 -0500
> From: "Steven Sweedler" <sweedler@plymouth.edu>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Clifford Graves: My Life on Two Wheels
> Message-ID: <000301c631ad$18e56d70$88c5e904@KALMIA>
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> Brian mentioned the newly found tandem of Clifford Graves. I have his
> autobiography on ebay.
>
>
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> http://ebay.com/<blah spagena
> me=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1>
> &item=7219109047&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
>
>
>
> If link doesn't work seller's name is cladrastus, Thanks
>
>
>
> Steve Sweedler
>
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:32:42 +0100
> From: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Search of 1972 Rickert Pictures
> Message-ID: <A7543580C089D843993DB428040E5455539A2F@dewdfe15.wdf.sap.corp>
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> Does anybody have good pictures of a 1972 Rickert? A friend of mine is
> searching the exact decal and painting scheme of a 72 Rickert (street
> not track) bike.
>
> Dirk
> --
>
> Dirk Feeken
> Heidelberg
> Germany
>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:21:32 EST
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> Subject: [CR]Re: Cleaning parts
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> If you must use gasoline, get some 100 octane at the airport. It evaporates
> with little or no smell left behind. I use it as a finishing rinse to get the
> other degreasers off. Use outdoors of course.
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> Keith Bolog
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:46:10 -0500
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> Subject: Re:[CR]Gasoline works best
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> We used ultrasonic cleaners in submarines to clean our ventilation filters and they worked pretty well. You have to use a detergent made for ultrasonic cleaners. I tried to substitute dishwasher detergent one time and we had a room full of suds and I almost suffocated. One word about gas though, there are safer products on the market that may take a little more effort. Consider the cost of your home if you're gonna keep gas in your garage. If you must use gasoline, then invest in one of the safety gas cans with flame arrestors. In my occupation, I get constant reports of fires where someone had their gas in one of those cheap plastic containers.
> Fred Durrette
> Summerville, SC
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:48:57 -0600
> From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]claimed Masi-built Beriano
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> oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
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> > The fork crown does not look like a Cinelli SC.. The Cinelli is much
> > thicker 'waisted." See here:
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> Sure, but sufficient time with a mill/file/whatever can change that.
> It's much easier taking material off than putting it on, after all.
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> But could it perhaps be one of Cinelli internally lugged crowns?
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> http://www.campyonly.com/mypages/2006/cinelli.html
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> Looks like a pretty frame, whoever built it. I wish the seller had
> more/better pictures.
>
> --
> John (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
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