I think Doug's data supports the idea that modern KOF frames, at least his, are lighter than many of the classics. The lightest steel rigs on his list are of modern higher-strength alloys, Tange Prestige,Reynolds 753 and Reynolds 853; by Fattic, Fattic, and Mercian respectively. However, Britain shows quite well with the 1949 Claud Butler lighter than the Masi GC, the Curly Hetchins, or the Ellis-Briggs. It also doesn't deny the idea that some of the UK masters did a super job, with the Ellis Briggs and the Butler lighter than the Masi.
Very interesting info!
Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of kohl57@starpower.net Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:11 PM To: pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]weights of classic and modern frames
Folks, I only brought up frame weights in this KOF discussion to get some specifics on the advantages (weight, ride, components or something) of a KOF vs. a "classic" lightweight. It was asserted that KOF frames today are "half" the weight of classic era ones. If the case has made to substanti ate that, great. I haven't quite seen it yet but hey, the "lightest" riding bike I own isn't the lightest weight one I own. And if you own a KOF and
think it's the best and the brighest, who can argue with that. Around th is part of the country, about the only time I see lugged steel are KOFs so I' m not objecting.
But it's been interesting to document actual weights and if any conclusion
can be drawn from all of this, it's that weight weenies have been at work for a long, long time in cycling. And yes... 1950s lightweights we re indeed that and not, by any stretch of the imagination, "pipe iron" in compared t o today's steel frames. Bobet on that 26 pound Stella could still beat the
socks off everyone on this list no matter what they were riding. And he 'd have a really cool French rooster as a headbadge. Show me a KOF with a rooster and I might be interested.
Peter Kohler Washington DC USA
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