[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 40, Issue 45

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From: "Marcelo Afornali - Bicicletas Antigas" <afornali@bicicletasantigas.com.br>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:47:07 -0300
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Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 40, Issue 45

Hello friends of the list: I need information on a French bicycle Metropole, manufactured in years 40 in France. Bike has lugs Nervex, cranks Stronghlight double plate, rims Menal 28 X 1,5/8 X 1.1/4 and Huret derailleur model Tour de France. Here in Brazil these bikes were very common until 1951 middle, but they had finished disappearing. Necessary to know the painting standard of these bicycles, that I intend to make the restoration of this vehicle and do not have the had information. Any information will be coming well and to see photos of bike, to request way email. I also possess a Peugeot PHX 10 1953 and a Bianchi 1938 that I am collecting parts. I can make exchanges between material to complete my sets and to help to the friends ok? Best Regards Marcelo Afornali - Brazil http://www.bicicletasantigas.com.br - afornali@bicicletasantigas.com.br


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> 1. Re: dating an Olmo, and boy is she cute! (Duncan Granger)
> (Steve Maas)
> 2. Suggestion for not getting booted from the list (Raymond Dobbins)
> 3. Ancient Adhesive Update!
> 4. Two of my bikes listed on ebay (Morgan Fletcher)
> 5. Would you care to see an Original Fothergill transfer (sam lingo)
> 6. Free book for the price of shipping (Bianca Pratorius)
> 7. Re: Suggestion for not getting booted from the list
> (Chuck Schmidt)
> 8. Old Nisi tubular rim ERD question (Doug Van Cleve)
> 9. Re: Suggestion for not getting booted from the list (Mike Schmidt)
> 10. Bent rear dropout / Olmo serial number (Jay Sexton)
> 11. more lace up leather shoes - now revisionist (Ben Kamenjas)
> 12. Suggestion (John T.Pergolizzi)
> 13. Re: Suggestion for not getting booted from the list
> (Chuck Schmidt)
> 14. WTB: Campagnolo NR/SR triple crankset or arms (bruce thomson)
> 15. Free to a good home. (Greg Groth)
> 16. Re: Unfortunate Victims of Boutique Bicycle Buying (rocketman531)
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> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:10:27 -0700
> From: Steve Maas <stevem@mail.nonlintec.com>
> To: dgranger@comcast.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]dating an Olmo, and boy is she cute! (Duncan Granger)
> Message-ID: <443BFF23.2080600@mail.nonlintec.com>
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> Try the right side of the seat lug. Might be buried under paint, if
> there are several coats.
>
> Steve Maas
> Long Beach CA USA
>
>
> dgranger@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Hi again, all,
>>
>> I also received, today, an Olmo frame, fork, h/s, b/b, crankset, front
>> and rear der.
>>
>> It has been repainted at least twice.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me where to find the serial number? Once I find it, will
>> it help me date the frame at all? I'm pretty sure it's late 50's or
>> early 60's due to Gran Sport front and rear derailleurs, campy rear
>> dropout with hole for spring, etc...
>>
>> So where do I look for that number?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Duncan Granger
>> Mountville, PA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> .
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Suggestion for not getting booted from the list
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> Having just read Dale's post about having booted someone for making an
> off-topic post (about Paris Roubaix), despite a public warning only hours
> earlier, I would like to suggest the following:
>
> ALWAYS read Dale Brown's posts, no matter what the subject line may be.
> If you see a post from oroboyz@aol.com, read it.
>
> I have learned to always be on the lookout for Dale's posts. If I see
> the name oroboyz@aol.com on a message, I make sure to at least read the
> subject line. Also, if I fall behind in my CR reading to the extent that
> I can't catch up, before deleting all of the messages I can't get to, I
> scan for any from oroboyz@aol.com. That way I never miss his warnings
> about subjects that are off-topic. This practice may be particularly
> helpful for newer members and people who receive the list in digest form -
> it is very easy to miss some posts when scanning the summary at the
> beginning of the digest.
>
> This suggestion may seem to many of us as so basic and obvious that it
> shouldn't even have to be mentioned, but as today's booting apparently
> shows, some people do not realize how important it is to read Dale's posts
> (at least if you care to stay on the list).
>
> Anyway, reading all of Dale's posts isn't that bad. They are always
> clear and concise, and often interesting and informative :)
>
> Just trying to help,
>
> Ray Dobbins
> Miami Florida
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:49:36 -0700
> From: vjp@telus.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Ancient Adhesive Update!
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> Thank You All!!
>
> I had many responses both on and off list about removing the petrified
> remains of various tape.
>
> I tried the WD40 on a paper towel, wrapped in tinfoil and it WORKED!! My
> test area after 24 hours was significantly easier to remove, and the box
> lining and paint were not affected.
>
> Victor Penner
>
> Gum free in BC,
>
> Vancouver, Canada
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:52:30 -0700
> From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Two of my bikes listed on ebay
> Message-ID: <87ek03u6e9.fsf@209-204-185-105.dsl.static.sonic.net>
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> I'm trying to make room in my garage and raise some cash, so selling two
> bikes on ebay:
>
> A 21" scarlet 1978 Schwinn Volare
> 7234057783
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> The 60cm mystery green tourer I posted about a few weeks ago
> 7234062100
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> Please pardon the self-promotion. I hope they go to good homes.
>
> I'll probably add some more stuff to ebay over the next few days; a 1963
> Peugeot PX-10E frameset and most of the period parts needed to build it.
>
> Morgan
> --
> Morgan Fletcher, morgan@hahaha.org Oakland, CA, USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:49:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: sam lingo <frameteam2003@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Would you care to see an Original Fothergill transfer
> Message-ID: <20060411224928.95896.qmail@web51502.mail.yahoo.com>
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> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frameteam2003/detail?.dir=311a&.dnm=1933.jpg&.src=ph
> sam lingo,pleasanton tx
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:53:05 -0400
> From: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Free book for the price of shipping
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> To the first person who wants it, I have the book that was spoken about
> last week. ..."Home to Italy". It has lots of classic bike content
> including Colnago, bike mechanics and such. It it a love story of a man
> who loses his wife and in his sixties returns to his birthplace in
> Abruzzi Italy to find new love. Lots of group ride stories through the
> mountains, lots of reminiscing, lots of mediocre writing about
> predicable characters, but all in all worth a couple of days of easy
> reading.
> Shipping should be about $4.00.
>
> Garth Libre in Miami Fl.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:59:41 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Suggestion for not getting booted from the list
> Message-ID: <96A9C084-1D5D-4026-BB5D-41F46E9C4DC0@earthlink.net>
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> Raymond Dobbins wrote:
>
>> Having just read Dale's post about having booted someone for making
>> an off-topic post (about Paris Roubaix), despite a public warning
>> only hours earlier, I would like to suggest the following:
>>
>> ALWAYS read Dale Brown's posts, no matter what the subject line may
>> be. If you see a post from oroboyz@aol.com, read it.
>
>
> Great suggestion Ray but it does not actually address the real
> problem. Since the inception of the list (almost 10 years ago) list
> members have discussed the current racers, current races and current
> bikes, all of which are of course off topic.
>
> Every year the same people bring up the current TdF and every year
> Dale reminds them it's off topic. Same with the "current bikes are
> crap" subject, "current bike shops are pathetic" subject, "younger
> guys with plastic wonder bikes and plastic clothing are poseurs"
> subject which are all off topic now just as they were off topic ten
> years ago.
>
> The list members (none of them new members) that knowingly pursue
> this topics every year always have the same response when reminded
> that they are off topic... "I'll stop when Dale tells me to stop...
> who made you the list police!?" BALONEY!!! Toss 'em all off the
> list!!!
>
> Chuck "don't get me started" Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:03:50 -0700
> From: "Doug Van Cleve" <dvancleve@gmail.com>
> To: "CR Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Old Nisi tubular rim ERD question
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> Howdy folks.
>
> I have a set of wheels that will eventually go on the Silk Hope I
> bought through Dale last year. The chain has been in the spokes and
> the overall tension seems pretty uneven so I am going to detension,
> replace the outer rear drive side spokes and retension/true. Based on
> a quick Google I think the rims are Nisi-Evian (don't have them
> available right now). Hubs are Campy Record high flange. Checking
> spocalc (I use it for all my wheelbuilding), it looks like all the
> Nisi tubulars listed have an ERD of 617 or 618 so I'm pretty confident
> that mine would be right in there (since they look like generic low
> profile box section tubulars). Either ERD gives me a spoke length of
> 293. I don't really want to pull the tire off, detension the wheel
> and take out a spoke to measure it. Does that sound about right?
> Thanks :^)
>
> Doug Van Cleve
> Chandler, AZ
>
> P.S. Any good source for user hoods other than the ones on ebay? The
> typical $25 shipped price there is my max for these...
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:50:48 -0400
> From: "Mike Schmidt" <mdschmidt@patmedia.net>
> To: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>,
> "Classic Rendezvous Bike List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Suggestion for not getting booted from the list
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> Toss em all off the list?
> Geez Chuckie, Sounds like executions at dawn for jaywalking in Times
> Square.
>
> Whatever happened to a measured, step response like:
> First offense-10 days suspension, community service, yaddity yada
> Second offense, lose favorite bike to Pergolizzi's auction at Cirque
> Third Offense- off ya go!
>
>
> Mike Schmidt
> Stirling, NJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous Bike List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Suggestion for not getting booted from the list
>
>
>> Raymond Dobbins wrote:
>>
>> > Having just read Dale's post about having booted someone for making
>> > an off-topic post (about Paris Roubaix), despite a public warning
>> > only hours earlier, I would like to suggest the following:
>> >
>> > ALWAYS read Dale Brown's posts, no matter what the subject line may
>> > be. If you see a post from oroboyz@aol.com, read it.
>>
>>
>> Great suggestion Ray but it does not actually address the real
>> problem. Since the inception of the list (almost 10 years ago) list
>> members have discussed the current racers, current races and current
>> bikes, all of which are of course off topic.
>>
>> Every year the same people bring up the current TdF and every year
>> Dale reminds them it's off topic. Same with the "current bikes are
>> crap" subject, "current bike shops are pathetic" subject, "younger
>> guys with plastic wonder bikes and plastic clothing are poseurs"
>> subject which are all off topic now just as they were off topic ten
>> years ago.
>>
>> The list members (none of them new members) that knowingly pursue
>> this topics every year always have the same response when reminded
>> that they are off topic... "I'll stop when Dale tells me to stop...
>> who made you the list police!?" BALONEY!!! Toss 'em all off the
>> list!!!
>>
>> Chuck "don't get me started" Schmidt
>> South Pasadena, Southern California
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:18:23 -0700
> From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Bent rear dropout / Olmo serial number
> Message-ID: <443C474F.4050004@sonic.net>
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> Duncan,
>
> The frame with bent dropout is definitely worth saving. It's actually
> not very bad. You can take it upon yourself to straighten it, carefully
> in a padded vise, but you will still need to align it. I suggest taking
> it to your nearest framebuilder or bike shop with the proper alignment
> tools. The minimal charge will be worth it. And, my TdF Frejus also
> has the same bend in the chainstays. At first I thought my frame was
> all screwed up, but this is not the case. Seems unusual but that's the
> way they were made. If you want some comparison photos let me know and
> I'll send you a couple of my frame.
>
> The number for that Olmo should be stamped on the side of the seat tube
> close to the junction of the top tube. Can't remember which side
> though. I would have to go look at my Olmo to tell you for sure. It
> would appear that the repaint(s) on your frame have filled in the numbers.
>
> ciao,
>
> Jay Sexton
> Sebastopol, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:46:49 +1000
> From: Ben Kamenjas <bici_pimp@mac.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]more lace up leather shoes - now revisionist
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> Hey Biciclistas,
>
> Another local seller on OzBay has some nice shoes up .... size 38 and
> 41's as is usual ... but he has one pair of size 46 NOS Sidi's that are
> black leather and lace up but offer compatibility with more modern
> pedal styles (ie Look pattern). There are some old school cleats that
> fit this bolt pattern as well. They look very cool in my books.
>
> Anyway, no relation, never had any dealings with seller but they are
> offered with buy it now @ $25aud so Im figuring somebody here may want
> them. In case some of you chicks are wondering - A smidgin' too big for
> me ... hard to believe but true ;)
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> or item # 7234069334
>
> Seller states he takes credit card payment and ships O/seas ..... if'n
> you need a hand I can help but am 900km due south so it might take a
> while to bust kneecaps if need be.
>
> ciao,
>
> Ben Kamenjas
>
> hey Dale .... who got booted for mentioning P*r*s *oub**x ????
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:25:13 -0500
> From: "John T.Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@verizon.net>
> To: "'Mike Schmidt'" <mdschmidt@patmedia.net>,
> "'Chuck Schmidt'" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>,
> "'Classic Rendezvous Bike List'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Suggestion
> Message-ID: <003101c65dd8$550751e0$2f01a8c0@Perry>
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>
> Mike Schmidt suggested:
>
> "Second offense, lose favorite bike to Pergolizzi's auction at Cirque"
>
> In the mean time, put up what you'd LIKE to sell at our NEW
> online Auction catalogue. Post and view some of this years booty of the
> hottest , most desirable items at:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/cirque-auction
>
> NO PASSWORD NECESSARY to post! Just donate at least a small percentage
> of the proceeds of your auctioned bits (10 to 20% suggested of the
> sellers end)
> to this years charity.
>
>
> John T.Pergolizzi
> Brooklyn, New York
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:29:22 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Suggestion for not getting booted from the list
> Message-ID: <922A9A66-C316-4041-A41B-568DB60A8B41@earthlink.net>
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> <96A9C084-1D5D-4026-BB5D-41F46E9C4DC0@earthlink.net>
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>
> Mike Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Toss em all off the list?
>> Geez Chuckie, Sounds like executions at dawn for jaywalking in
>> Times Square.
>>
>> Whatever happened to a measured, step response like:
>> First offense-10 days suspension, community service, yaddity yada
>> Second offense, lose favorite bike to Pergolizzi's auction at Cirque
>> Third Offense- off ya go!
>
>
> Yeah, actually what I meant to say was something more along the lines
> of "CUT OFF THEIR HEADS!!!
>
> Chuck "desperate times call for desperate measures" Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:42:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]WTB: Campagnolo NR/SR triple crankset or arms
> Message-ID: <20060412014245.4148.qmail@web51615.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Want to get rid of that unwanted and neglected triple crankset? I may be
> interested and you may get something for it outside a poke in the eye
> with a sharp stick or a swift kick in the butt. Reply to
> rapidfire10ring@hotmail.com Bruce
>
>
> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
> (509) 747 4314
> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:03:02 -0500
> From: Greg Groth <ggroth@gregs-garage.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Free to a good home.
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> I was given a '79 Schwinn Traveler that I'm offering to the first person
> who wants it. Not much to speak of, 27" steel wheels - w/o q/r, shimano
> components, weinnman center pull brakes. The bike is in good condition
> considering it's age, tires were replaced recently. Paint is light blue
> w/ black decals, fork has chrome on the lower half. Only thing wrong I
> know of is a blown out rear inner tube. Frame size is the reason I'm
> offering this one as a give away - 27" frame. I know that you can't
> find anything this size off the shelf any more, and thought someone
> could use it for a bad weather bike. The parts aren't really worth it
> for me to strip this bike for parts, and the frame is just too big for
> me. If anyone wants it, just send me an email. I live in Chicago, IL.
> on the NW side if you want to pick it up. If needed I can pack it and
> ship it UPS if you pick up the tab. I don't have any pics available,
> but can get some if needed. For the moment, I found this on Ebay -
> http://tinyurl.com/ekad3, bike pictured is the same in color and
> components.
>
> Best regards,
> Greg Groth
> Chicago, IL.
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>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:31:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: rocketman531 <rocketman531@earthlink.net>
> To: Andrew Gillis <apgmaa@earthlink.net>,
> classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Unfortunate Victims of Boutique Bicycle Buying
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> Responding to Andrew Gillis' comments about Garth Libre's post concerning
> B
> outique Bicycle Buying...
>
> On Saturday I rode my new (old) Waterford fixie for a couple of hours
> downt
> own, up the greenbelt, and here and there...it is a bike that I found in a
> little shop in the San Francisco Mission District about a month ago while
> o
> n a road trip. It is a pounded frame once owned, I suspect by a
> messinger.
> I was wearing baggy cargo shorts, a Student Council T-shirt from the scho
> ol where I used to work, scruffy canvas shoes I once wore on a 7 day float
> on the Green River, and the bike was outfitted with $1 pedals from the
> Tucs
> on GABA swap meet. Since I live about 6 blocks from the largest university
> in the country, I saw some riders on $6000 mounts who looked as if they
> di
> dn't have a clue and riders on $6 garage bikes who looked like they were
> bo
> rn on a bike. Some were out hammering, some were pedalling down to the
> Univ
> ersity Library, and some were headed to one of the local watering holes,
> pr
> obably Casey Moore's. Some were dressed to the 9's, and some looked
> scruff
> ier than me. I haven't seen a wool jersey in about 15 years. My point?
> T
> here were lots of riders out that day, and everyone seemed to be enjoying
> t
> he day, enjoying the ride. In my neighborhood, nobody looks down on you
> for
> the pedals you push. Most of us just nod or raise a finger when we pass, h
> appy to be out in the 'hood.
>
> Pat Moffat
> Tempe, Az
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Andrew Gillis <apgmaa@earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Apr 10, 2006 11:10 PM
>>To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>Subject: [CR]Unfortunate Victims of Boutique Bicycle Buying
>>
>>Dear CRs:
>>
>>My thanks to Garth Libre for posting his nearly-unbelievable description
>
>>of Miami's Boutique Bicycle Shops.
>>
>>On my ride yesterday evening (Sunday April 9) I saw some unfortunate
>>results of Boutique Bicycle Buying:
>>
>>A 50ish year old mother and her 20ish year old son were out for a ride
>>on matching Specialized road bikes: full carbon fiber frames and
>>components, aero wheels, etc. ... except that the pedals on both bikes
>>were $20 rat-trap mountain bike cheapies without even toe clips or
>>straps.
>>
>>Both riders wore street clothes (baggy hiking shorts and hiking boots).
>>Their baggy nylon windbreaker jackets more than negated the advantage of
>
>>aero wheels.
>>
>>Neither rider carried a pump or any sort of tire repair accessories.
>>
>>They had much more technology than necessary for a look-at-the-sunset
>>bike ride.
>>
>>In the meantime, I rode my 2001 Mercian with Campy NR-SR-Victory. I wore
>
>>a wool jersey and tights. A Silca pump and a small seat bag completed my
>
>>'kit'.
>>
>>I had a better looking bike, better looking clothes, and I had a better
>>ride, too!
>>
>>Unfortunately, I find most bike shops today to be rather uninspiring,
>>and often depressing, venues. Iit seems that for a lot of shops, it's
>>more about making money (customer = consumer!) instead of selling the
>>right bike (product).
>>
>>
>>Andrew Gillis
>>(expecting rain in Long Beach, CA)
>>
>>
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