The problems go on and on with a sales pitch that is overhyped and replaces speculation with certainty. The seller states that is "undoubtably" a Confente built bike. It may or may not be a Confente built bike but it is just plain untrue to say it is undoubtably a Confente built bike. Other things are garbled or wrong. The Columbus Record chainstays become "higher quality Campagnolo chainstays." Huh? The bike wasn't "rebuilt". It was more like salvaged. 1972? California Masi. So I guess this is the earliest known California Masi.
Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch,NJ
> I think I missed something else here as well - dosen't the
\r?\n> original ebay post omit the info that the dowtube was replaced?
\r?\n> Only in the posted question responses does this info come out.
\r?\n> Did I miss something in the body of the original text on this? By
\r?\n> not providing this information for all to see, it seems that
\r?\n> travel at least started down that slippery slope of
\r?\n> misrepresentation. I sure has heck would want to know up front if
\r?\n> a frame I was buying had undergone major tube replacement.
\r?\n> Hopefully Mark simply did not realize that such a repair
\r?\n> constitutes much more than a typical extensive restoration.
\r?\n>
\r?\n> Mike Kone in Boulder CO
\r?\n> -------------- Original message --------------
\r?\n> From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com>
\r?\n>
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Some people might assume that "built for a friend of mario's"
\r?\n> means "built
\r?\n> > by Mario for a friend" ...
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Even so, it's still speculation, since no one really knows the
\r?\n> provenance of
\r?\n> > the frame.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > However, I think that Mark was being perhaps overly
\r?\n> enthusiastic, rather
\r?\n> > than intentionally misleading; seizing and believing the
\r?\n> possibility that
\r?\n> > the frame may have been built by Mario as a fait accompli.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > I think that everyone involved is over-reacting.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > The facts are that it's a beautifully Brian Baylis-restored, but
\r?\n> unusual
\r?\n> > Masi ... this fact alone should be enough to intrigue some
\r?\n> buyers.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > As to whether or not it was "undoubtedly built by Mario
\r?\n> Confente" ... well,
\r?\n> > only Mario knows for sure, and he's not around to clear things
\r?\n> up.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > On 04/24/2006 05:44 AM, "Angel Garcia" wrote:
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > > Am I missing something? The ebay listing says, "Confente Built
\r?\n> Masi". I
\r?\n> > > don't anything in Brian's note (attached by Mark Flaming) that
\r?\n> quotes Brian
\r?\n> > > as saying it was a Confente built Masi.
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > >From Craig Fenstermaker to Mark Flaming:
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > >> we have completed our initial inspection and have discovered;
\r?\n> > >> 1) this is an unusual bike, it does not follow any s/n system
\r?\n> that brian
\r?\n> > >> or i am familiar with.
\r?\n> > >> 2) it had columbus record chainstays instead of the standard
\r?\n> chainstays.
\r?\n> > >> 3) it has lead a hard life, lottsa rust and several dents /
\r?\n> dings /
\r?\n> > >> previous repairs
\r?\n> > >>
\r?\n> > >> 1 & 2 leads us to believe that this might have been a masi
\r?\n> employee's
\r?\n> > >> bike originally, or perhaps it was built for a friend of
\r?\n> mario's.
\r?\n> > >>
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > --
\r?\n> > Steven L. Sheffield
\r?\n> > stevens at veloworks dot com
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