Hi Tom
I own a Leach Marathon with original paintwork from around the period of the one on E Bay and I would be happy to send jpegs if you wish. Ray Etherton i s of course absolutely trustworthy. I have bought a number of things from hi m over the years. Leach Marathons have a wonderful triangular 'art deco' hea dbadge depicting a marathon man with torch in hand. Although they have no cu lt following (yet!), Bob Leach was a respected frame builder although he als o employed others build for him. I don't know when he started out but he had a shop and works in Martin Street Stratford from at least WWII until it was pulled down around 1964. Whether he continued after this period I do not kn ow. Unfortunately no one yet knows how to date them. Whether or not they are 'duff' is a matter of opinion but mine rides very well.
Best of luck
Bryan Clarke, London UK
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Copper plated frames - Detective work 2. Campagnolo DT derailluer cables (Joe Blow) 3. Lined cables (Tom Dalton) 4. River City Vintage Velo/ Cancelling for this year !! (Peter Naiman) 5. Re: Cable Housing - Friction Shift vs. Brake ? (John Thompson) 6. Nervar Sport Cotterless Steel Crank (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos) 7. Re: Was: Odd Campy Pista threading, Now: Sheldon's Folly? (Davis Jensen) 8. NIB Suntour Superbe Pro FD 2000 Front Derailleur (Howard Darr) 9. re:Ultra glide cables (Robert Freitas) 10. 60 cm zeus on e-bay 11. Re: Early Windsor Professional Components (Steve Kurt) 12. Re: Strength asymmetries between left and right legs and drive trains... (Mark Stonich) 13. RE: Leather Mold-what to do (Mark Cutrufelli) 14. Anyone know of Leach Bicycles of Stratford/E. London? (Thomas Adams) 15. Pic of the Day Tour Coverage 3rd July (Aldo Ross) 16. Re: Anyone know of Leach Bicycles of Stratford/E. London? (MICHAEL WAITE) 17. RE: Cable Housing - Friction Shift vs. Brake ? (Mark Bulgier) 18. i dunt know if its a zullo (swan valley motors) 19. (Vintage Transfers)
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:09:57 EDT From: Johnsummerfield@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Copper plated frames - Detective work Message-ID: <37f.6855c59.31dac585@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1
To follow up on Nigels theme, I noticed an uninteresting "ready for the dumpster" bike from my local village auction. On further investigation prompted by noticing the tommy bar Chater-Lea pedals, it turned outo be the best find ever. A 1940 (by my deduction) Dayco ck,
that wasn`t too obvious as the head and seat tube had been painted over. Wit h a
bit of careful work with fine wirewool the decals came to life. The frame was completely copper plated beneath the paint and was equipped with Lytall oy chainring, Sturmey AM (dated 1939) and Dunlop special lightweight rims, Brooks Champion Narrow saddle, Bluemels alloy m`guards and the rest of the stuff in period. I researched the origins of the frame but the Bethnal Green, Lon don address on the headtube decal ceased to exist after the Blitz. I tried to get information from the present day successors of the company but I think I must have spoken to Homer Simpson and gave it up as a bad job! However, as Nigel says, copper plating of frames may have been in vogue @ the late 30`s . Regards, John Summerfield Just as `ot and `umid Norfolk England
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:23:10 -0400 From: Joe Blow <100eli@optonline.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Campagnolo DT derailluer cables Message-ID: <006c01c69ed6$1f205380$6401a8c0@Mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 2
They have all been spoken for .
Mark J Moller , East Yaphank NY
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Lined cables Message-ID: <20060703193746.89190.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3
Campy housings were also lined within the CR timeframe, with Delrin, I think . My question is, does anyone recall when Record and SR brakesets started to c ome through with the lined housings? I bought a block-letter, post-CPSC, alloy-shoe-holder set around 1982, and the housings were lined. Other replacement housings that I bought after that (presumably made earlier) did not have any lining.
Anyone?
Tom Dalton
Bethlehem PA
> Now, at a certain point (slipping outside our time line) slippery
> plastic lined cable housing came into use. But this was also used for
> shifting and braking interchangeably...
I seem to recall "Ultra-Glide" lined brake cables/housing being available by the late 70s, still within the time line.
-- John (john@os2.dhs.org) Appleton WI USA
Yes! Was it "Wescon Ultraglide"?
Dale Brown Greensboro, NC USA
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com> Subject: [CR]River City Vintage Velo/ Cancelling for this year !! Message-ID: <20060703204358.74264.qmail@web30912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 4
My plans for the new midwest show, River City Vintage Velo are being cancell ed out for this year and possibly the following year for family and many person al reasons. The time and dedication it takes to do a show of this type is very extensive, and at this point in time, I am simply finding it impossible to dedicate enough time to put the amount of effort to get this event organized
properly.
Best regards, Peter Naiman Glendale, WI
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:17:42 -0500 From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Cable Housing - Friction Shift vs. Brake ? Message-ID: <44A98976.5060908@new.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <8C86CE2ED4B6DF6-51C-9C37@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C86CDA8D035D31-51C-9919@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> <44A95A58.4040009@new.rr.com> <8C86CE2ED4B6DF6-51C-9C37@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: john@os2.dhs.org Message: 5
oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
> Yes! Was it "Wescon Ultraglide"?
I think so, and I still have some installed on my touring bike (still
nice and smooth after all those years and miles), but there's not
markings on the housing that I can find.
>> I seem to recall "Ultra-Glide" lined brake cables/housing being
>> available by the late 70s, still within the time line.
-- John (john@os2.dhs.org) Appleton WI USA ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: CR <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Nervar Sport Cotterless Steel Crank Message-ID: <20060703213422.5617.qmail@web82215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <75d04b480607011130g613690eftcdcd6ada2427f0d1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6
I'm curious about the Nervar Sport COTTERLESS steel crank, like this one currently for sale bt CyclArt:
http://ebay.com/
Although it isn't specified, I think this crank used the same 128 BCD as t he 5-arm alloy Nervar Star. Anyone know when this steel crank was introduced a nd how long it was sold? Also, when newly introduced, was this considered a hi gh end crank worthy of the top bikes of the era?
Regards,
Jerry Moos
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:49:35 -0700 From: "Davis Jensen" <davisjensen1@earthlink.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com Subject: [CR]Re: Was: Odd Campy Pista threading, Now: Sheldon's Folly? Message-ID: <004201c69eea$934fbc50$6400a8c0@davis> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
I know the equipment pictured is out of timeline, but I've heard of on topic use of 2 chains. Why dual drive? Just because you can?
Davis Jensen Lomita, CA
p.s. Did you follow your own suggestion for even-even chainwheels and cogs, and did you synchronize the 2 chains so the inner plates and outer plates were lined up side to side? Should get astounding chain life!
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:30:41 -0400 From: "Howard Darr" <hdarr@localnet.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]NIB Suntour Superbe Pro FD 2000 Front Derailleur Message-ID: <000e01c69ef8$b3c26f60$19a09b42@D1S2F761> References: <20060703125618.64811.qmail@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
For Sale.
NOS NIB Suntour Superbe Pro FD 2000 Front Derailleur $20.00 plus actual shipping.
Thanks you,
Howard Darr Clymer PA
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Freitas <freitas1@pacbell.net> To: JohnThompson@new.rr.com, CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]re:Ultra glide cables Message-ID: <20060703235053.86821.qmail@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 9
WOW! talk about the "way back machine" I sold these back in the late 70s bu t I remember they were real expensive ($3.00 or so each) Lambertini saddles were distributed by West Coast cycles which sold Windsor,Nishiki ,Azuki and gas pipe Caloi s. The Lambertini saddles were Unicanitor knock offs,unpadded but leather covered, I recall they came black or brown. back to you Sherman Bob Freitas in sunny Seattle,WA
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:02:36 EDT From: KvnMuadib@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]60 cm zeus on e-bay Message-ID: <37f.68d6ad6.31db182c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10
thought some tall rider in cr might be interested item#130001937976 ends in
4 + hrs. no relation to seller kevin ruberg howell nj
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:28:01 -0500
From: Steve Kurt <kurtsj@mtco.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Early Windsor Professional Components
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> From: AVERYALLEN@aol.com
> Any Windsor Professional owners out there? Could someone send me the li
st
> of original components for an early 1970s Windsor Professional? I am pr
etty
> certain it may be Campagnolo NR but I want to make sure. The early Winds
or
> Pros were the Molteni Orange models with the "Cinelli treatment" like th
e
> one on the CR website. Thanks for the help.
>
> David Allen
> Marietta, Georgia near the Big Chicken, USA
Hey David!
This is great! Justification for my being a packrat! thanks. :-)
I happen to have a review of the Windsor Pro from the October 1975 issue of Bicycling (well, I have the complete magazine). The article has been stuck up on tinypic for the time being. If I haven't sent it to Mark Bulgier yet, maybe this is the time... enjoy. :-)
p30
http://i6.tinypic.com/
p31
http://i6.tinypic.com/
p32 (this is where the parts spec is..)
http://i6.tinypic.com/
and for fun, see how many misspelled words you can find in the review. I was surprised at how many were easily found on page 32.
Steve Kurt Peoria, IL
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:28:21 -0500 From: Mark Stonich <mark@bikesmithdesign.com> To: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Strength asymmetries between left and right legs and drive trains... Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060703200211.05d9ac90@pop.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20060702170306.7690.qmail@web52502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060702170306.7690.qmail@web52502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12
At 7/2/2006 10:03 AM -0700, Don Wilson wrote:
>So: have any drive train designers tried to design a
>drive train that distributed gearing/leverage
>asymmetrically between the left and right legs to
>optimize this difference in leg strength (not leg
>length)?
IMHO feet, shoes, pedals etc. are an effective enough flywheel to make up for most differences. For someone with one almost worthless leg, I would make an eccentric adaptor with a 130mm or 110mm bolt circle on the outside and the inner would bolt to a Cyclotouriste 2" BCD or compact MTB cranks 64mm BCD.
At the other end of the cost spectrum (and decidedly O.T.) Rotor cranks with one arm bent so that the pedals are at 180 degrees when the strong leg is at TDC and at 150 degrees when the strong leg is at BDC could be very effective.
For almost 20 years my leg strength discrepancy must have been in the range of 30-40%. It's somewhat better now, but it's still quite apparent which leg is bigger. While I have the capacity to make an eccentric adaptor, I've never felt the need.
Mark Stonich; Minneapolis Minnesota http://mnhpva.org http://bikesmithdesign.com
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:02:05 -0400 From: "Mark Cutrufelli" <rena.cutrufelli@comcast.net> To: "'veterinary technician'" <thebiggoogster@hotmail.com>, <joebz@optonline.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Leather Mold-what to do Message-ID: <000001c69f0d$d98f0d60$0402a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F19EE14146FA40ED4A7DCACA700@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13
Here is a product for removing mold on leather.
http://www.topoftheline.com/
We used to use alcohol to kill fungi (yeasts and molds are both technically fungi) on agar plates in the lab but it may dry leather too much.(Concerned about allergens such as Aspergillus fumigatus, we were isolating these fungi from the air so some species must have been similar to those invading leather.) You can sometimes kill mold without getting rid of 100% of the stains.
Mark Cutrufelli Laurel,MD USA
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Anyone know of Leach Bicycles of Stratford/E. London? Message-ID: <20060704020723.83212.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 14
Wheel sucker that I am, this would be an excellent addition to the stable. Does anyone have any info/experience with Leach Bicycles of Stratford/East London ? In particular, how well were they built, and how well do they ride? The sel ler is Ray Etherton of the list (rey0531), if my memory is up to snuff.
A few things in the Archives: Mick Butler said the Marathon frames were reputed to be "duff" ( from the context that is "bad", but what does "duff" mean exactly? {Mmmm, Beer!}), and Ray Etherton had two frames, one a '60s bike he was keeping and one for sale dating from the '50's so Leach had some history and
staying power anyway. Nothing else in the archives, nothing on CR, nothing on Google.
One overall picture on ebay, guestimated as a late 60's frame using Nervex pro lugs and a Cinelli style full sloping crown. Listed as having been made in Stratford, East London. Lloyds doesn't catalog transfers. Any information appreciated. Does anyone know if any UK refinishers has the graphics? Anyo ne have pics of the transfers?
http://ebay.com/
or item # 270002969154
Thanks,
Tom Adams, Obscure UK builder geek in Shrewsbury NJ
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:19:16 -0400 From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day Tour Coverage 3rd July Message-ID: <001201c69f10$404b07f0$e514fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15
Pic of the Day Tour Coverage 3rd July 2006
Hold My Bike:
http://www.wooljersey.com/
Click on pic for larger image.
Minding the bike of Georges Berton (touriste-routier No.123) before the
start of the 1931 Tour de France.
>From "Le Miroir des Sports" No.602, 3 July 1931.
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 08:01:02 +0100 From: "MICHAEL WAITE" <mrwaite@btopenworld.com> To: "Thomas Adams" <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Anyone know of Leach Bicycles of Stratford/E. London? Message-ID: <00b801c69f37$9ce09760$c2e58856@MIKE> References: <20060704020723.83212.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: MICHAEL WAITE <mrwaite@btinternet.com> Message: 16
I bought a Leach Marathon in about 1956. Remember it was a toss-up between that and an E G Bates. Both must have been about the same price and as much as I could afford! I would have said similar quality. I liked it and used it for time trials and with mudguards and saddlebag for a several weeks tour. Unfortunately someone else liked it too as it was later stolen from outside a cafe.
Mike Waite
Amersham Bucks UK
mrwaite@btinternet.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:12:16 -0700 From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net> To: <john@os2.dhs.org>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR] Cable Housing - Friction Shift vs. Brake ? Message-ID: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90702CFEF@hippy.home.here> In-Reply-To: <44A95A58.4040009@new.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17
Dale wrote:
>
> > Now, at a certain point (slipping outside our time line) slippery
> > plastic lined cable housing came into use. But this was also used
> > for shifting and braking interchangeably...
& John Thompson replied:
> I seem to recall "Ultra-Glide" lined brake cables/housing
> being available by the late 70s, still within the time line.
Bud's Bike Shop / Santana Cycles of Claremont CA was importing & distributing lined housing in 1978 I think - '79 at the latest. They called it "Elephant Brand" - does anyone here remember seeing that in shops? I think it was manu'd in England -- Clarks maybe?
I was annoyingly big, a little too big to fit in a lot of ferrules and braze-ons of the day, but very slippery and high quality.
Mark Bulgier Seattle WA USA
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:32:00 +0800 From: "swan valley motors" <swanvalleymotor@optusnet.com.au> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]i dunt know if its a zullo Message-ID: <002a01c69f44$52698f40$ba33693a@your6af78692ae> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18
hey guys I have a track bike which has colnago stokers but no clover cut-outs and I have been told it could be a zullo track bike , does anybody know how I would find outas all it has is the size stamped on the bottom bracket regards Darren Dawes
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:02:04 +0200 From: "Vintage Transfers" <info@vintagetransfers.it> To: "CLASSIC AMERICA" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR] Message-ID: <009501c69f48$85615cd0$0501a8c0@elena> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vintage Transfers <info@vintagetransfers.it> Message: 19
I have been told that many of you might be interested to Singer head
badge
You can see on
http://cgi.ebay.it/
Giorgio Panciroli Reggio Emilia Italy
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