well thats certainly backwards thinking, as im always being reminded to never give out that information you just requested. so now back to my question please.
Thanks
Marty Edge
East Chester Connecticut
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> 1. WTB chainset for stayer bike; Sturmey dating question
> (Toni Theilmeier)
> 2. WTB: 600 "Arabesque" hoods or leverset (dddd)
> 3. FS; Merckx track bike (Bill Talbot)
> 4. Ebay: Longstaff trike
> 5. interesting "Fastback" seatstay treatment (Kevin Kruger)
> 6. Maillard hub assistance needed (Syke - Deranged Few M/C)
> 7. Re: need a bottom bracket fixed cup spacer (Steven Willis)
> 8. Re: Plastic Wheels on Old Steel Campy Record Rear? (John Barron)
> 9. Market high for 1st gen Record no-logo brakeset? (Raymond Dobbins)
> 10. Was: ]italian frames from the 70's. Now: FOLLOW THE CR RULES
> (please)
> 11. Is that veteran or vintage ?
> 12. Re: Plastic Wheels on Old Steel Campy Record Rear?
> (Wayne Davidson)
> 13. Re: Market high for 1st gen Record no-logo brakeset? (jj & kk)
> 14. Re: Market high for 1st gen Record no-logo brakeset?
> 15. Re: Williams cottered crank question (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 16. Re: Plastic Wheels on Old Steel Campy Record Rear?
> 17. Re: Market high for 1st gen Record no-logo brakeset?
> (Raymond Dobbins)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:01:54 +0200
> From: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]WTB chainset for stayer bike; Sturmey dating question
> Message-ID: <2F78ECE0-0F21-11DB-8C0D-0050E49E894D@t-online.de>
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> Dear all,
> last March in the Maarsen, Holland, cyclejumble I found a nice 1970s
> Gazelle stayer frameset, and have managed to kit it out excepting the
> chainset. If anyone has one for sale or swap, not necessarily Campag,
> please drop me a line.
>
> Also I have been brought up to believe that Sturmey A-Type hubs have
> date stamps of either the pre- or post WWII system, but that they are
> all marked. During my recent travels to France (I was still in Holland)
> I was given a hub which is not. The threaded driver and metal oiler
> point to a greater age. Does anyone have a clue as to what might have
> led to leaving out the date stamp?
>
> Regards,
>
> Toni Theilmeier, Belm, Germany.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:24:48 -0700
> From: "dddd" <dddd@pacbell.net>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]WTB: 600 "Arabesque" hoods or leverset
> Message-ID: <000501c6a331$255ee9a0$4001a8c0@compaq>
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> For my recently-acquired SR Semi-Pro, a pair of fresh lever hoods or NOS
> leverset. I have not seen any on Ebay for several weeks now, and suddenly
> need a set.
> These hoods are distinguishable by Shimano's circular
> almost-"yin/yang"-style logo, and unlike their successors, the levers show
> no external part number, BL-6XXX or whatever. The original hoods are real
> "gum" and age accordingly.
>
> I've been riding this bike of late and have to say that I like the ride.
> It
> would also fit me much better with a 9cm stem (came with an 8cm), but the
> SR
> stems I've found are all 8cm and 10cm, and I've been looking now for a
> while. Bike is a 57cm 1982 model (based on Shimano F and G date codes),
> turquoise-blue with pale blue head tube and nothing brazed on but one set
> of
> bottle bosses and rear derailer cable stop and bb guides.
>
> Thanks to all for looking, pic's available on request.
>
> David Snyder
> Auburn, CA USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:34:24 +0800
> From: "Bill Talbot" <bulldogsrule@graffiti.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]FS; Merckx track bike
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> CRers,
>
> Take a look at what is possibly a Merckx (practice) Hour Record track
> bike.
> Anyone have any thoughts on this one?
>
> http://ebay.com/
> 60006309215QQihZ016QQcategoryZ98084QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Bill Talbot off to find e-richie hammering @ Mark's Crit in nearby New
> Brit
> ian, CT
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> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:37:45 EDT
> From: Oldtrikerider@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Ebay: Longstaff trike
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> There is a nice Longstaff trike on Ebay, number 180005019462. Pickup
> only
> but........?
>
> Paul Patzkowsky
> Longmont, CO
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:01:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kevin Kruger <ktk1_7_0_2_8@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, davisjensen1@earthlink.net
> Subject: [CR]interesting "Fastback" seatstay treatment
> Message-ID: <20060709140156.70838.qmail@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> My Condor Superbe'Luged Road/Path also utilizes the same handsome fastback
> seat cluster as found on Davis' road frame. Photo examples may be viewed
> at the following Wool Jersey links:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> Regards,
> Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA
>
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:05:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Syke - Deranged Few M/C <sykerocker@yahoo.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Maillard hub assistance needed
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>
> I've got a spare set of wheels set around Maillard
> hubs. Not sure of the vintage, the hubs are marked "B
> 51 87" and are claiming sealed bearings. The rear is
> setup for 126mm.
>
> I'm in need of an axle, spacers and other parts to
> convert the rear hub to 120mm, so I can use them on my
> Raleigh.
>
> If you can help, please contact me off-list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George R. "Syke" Paczolt
> Montpelier, VA USA
>
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> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:07:16 -0400
> From: "Steven Willis" <smwillis@verizon.net>
> To: <john@os2.dhs.org>, "CR List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]need a bottom bracket fixed cup spacer
> Message-ID: <013d01c6a360$fc58be20$2f01a8c0@bike1>
> References: <DMEJIHDFKPCMMPJEINFDGEFPEHAA.otis@otisrecords.com>
> <44B06EE5.5000308@new.rr.com>
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> If you can not find one I can make you one.
> Steven Willis
> The Bike Stand
> 1778 East Second Street
> Scotch Plains NJ 07076
> 908-322-3330
> http://www.thebikestand.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Thompson" <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> To: "CR List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]need a bottom bracket fixed cup spacer
>
>
>> Otis wrote:
>>
>>> I need a washer or "spacer" about a 1mm or less thick that will fit
>>> around a
>>> Italian thread fixed cup. I'm trying to fine tune the chainline on my
>>> track
>>> bike where the old 151 Pista arm is tightening up a hair too far
>>> inboard.
>>> I'd rather not respace the rear hub. I think bringing the cup out a
>>> little
>>> will cure things. As it is the inside chain side plates are just
>>> catching
>>> a
>>> bit on the chainring and it's very noisy. Thanks in advance if anybody
>>> has
>>> something that will work or can point me in the right direction.
>>
>> I've always used Sturmey-Archer cog spacers for this. You might have to
>> split the spacer to allow it to fit over the Italian threading, but
>> it'll work fine.
>>
>> --
>> John (john@os2.dhs.org)
>> Appleton WI USA
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:17:46 -0500
> From: "John Barron" <jb@velostuf.com>
> To: <Huemax@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Plastic Wheels on Old Steel Campy Record Rear?
> Message-ID: <001201c6a362$7448ac00$6501a8c0@velostuf>
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> Ken-
>
> The Japanese collector study shows 2 different versions of plastic
> wheels used on Record rear- both 9 and 10 teeth:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/
>
> John Barron
> Minneapolis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Huemax@aol.com
> To: jb@velostuf.com ; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Plastic Wheels on Old Steel Campy Record Rear?
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/8/06 12:38:35 PM, jb@velostuf.com writes:
>
>
>
> I have owned at least 2 NOS old steel Campy Record rear ders that
> had
> plastic pulley wheels. I've also owned NOS Record rears with steel
> wheels.
>
> Can others tell me whether they know, or believe that the later runs
> of
> steel Record rear ders came with plastic pulley wheels? (Earlier
> ones of
> that model "for sure" came with steel wheels).
>
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> I saw/read Japanese collector study, and I do have one set too. Campy
> DID make some
> very end productuin steel/bronz Record with plastic wheel as alloy NR,
> ca, 1968-69.
>
> Look/count number of teeh on the plastic pulley wheel, they ought to
> be "9" instead of 10.
> Also, look for the mysterious <c> marking, it ought to be on the tab
> of position adjusting
> stopper (very small). As you know, they stamped the headset about
> same time with the
> <c> marking, not before 1967 and not after 1970.
>
> Best regards,
>
> KEN TODA, High Point, NC
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Market high for 1st gen Record no-logo brakeset?
> Message-ID: <20060709144501.65372.qmail@web60423.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Stephan of speedbicycles.com in Switzerland sold a used set of this rare
> brakeset yesterday on eBay for $958. I wonder if this is a market high or
> in line with prior prices paid.
>
> Interesting also to note that the two high bidders are here in the US (at
> least one of whom - not the winner - I know is a list member), and they
> left the next three highest bidders, all from Japan, far behind by several
> hundred dollars. I'm not sure what, if anything, can be deduced from
> this, but it is interesting.
>
> eBay item number 260003062649. Link:
>
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
>
> Ray Dobbins
> Miami Florida
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:16:38 -0400
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> To: bimmerboym5@cox.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Was: ]italian frames from the 70's. Now: FOLLOW THE CR RULES
> (please)
> Message-ID: <8C87181CF4605B9-1ABC-B964@FWM-R18.sysops.aol.com>
> In-Reply-To: <000c01c6a315$99e63740$0e00a8c0@biostar>
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> << Were the major italian bikes no longer pure handbuilt works of art
> by
> the 70's? ive heard that colnago started pumping out bikes like mad
> for
> the bike boom, im guessing this deteoriated the quality that they once
> were? and when did this happen, 72, 73? And what about cinelli, de
> rosa, and bianchi? i know masi made beautiful bikes throughout the
> 70's,
> but did the rest of them?
>
> Thanks for answering what is probably considered basic knowledge here.
> -Marty >>
>
> Apologies to you Marty ___?___, as you probably are a newbie, but
> Geez, I really get tired of asking folks to follow the CR rules, simple
> as they are!
>
> In any case, I have sent two three similar messages just this week so
> I wonder if anyone reads these blankety blank mail?
>
> Anyway, here we go again:
>
> CR list members are required, in order to remain in good standing as a
> CR list member, to sign off each CR message with first and last name,
> home town, state and country. If you didn't catch that rule, then maybe
> you missed some others that you need to bone up on?
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marty <bimmerboym5@cox.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:07:39 -0400
> Subject: [CR]italian frames from the 70's
>
> Were the major italian bikes no longer pure handbuilt works of art by
> the 70's? ive heard that colnago started pumping out bikes like mad
> for
> the bike boom, im guessing this deteoriated the quality that they once
> were? and when did this happen, 72, 73? And what about cinelli, de
> rosa, and bianchi? i know masi made beautiful bikes throughout the
> 70's,
> but did the rest of them?
>
> Thanks for answering what is probably considered basic knowledge here.
> -Marty
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:54:17 +0100
> From: <greenjersey@ntlworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Is that veteran or vintage ?
> Message-ID:
> <20060709155417.XMB29849.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
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>
> Sam says:-
> I just noticed on Ebay U.K. there is only one bicycle idem listed using
> the word Veteran,and over 400 using the work Vintage.Ya'll been
> Americanized.
> The the UK motoring world Veteran and Vintage cover different periods. A
> veteran car was built up to December 1918 and a vintage car was built
> between 1919 and 1930.
> I suspect that, originally at least, the same system was used for old
> bikes.
> Ray Green, Brighton, England
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:26:07 +1200
> From: Wayne Davidson <wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Plastic Wheels on Old Steel Campy Record Rear?
> Message-ID: <C0D7875E.12C7A%wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>
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>
> Hi, that bottom Rd looks to have the later style 10T pullies, from the
> 80's
> not the 60's.......regards wayne davidson invers NZ........
>
>
> on 10/7/06 2:17 AM, John Barron at jb@velostuf.com wrote:
>
>> Ken-
>>
>> The Japanese collector study shows 2 different versions of plastic
>> wheels used on Record rear- both 9 and 10 teeth:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/
>>
>> John Barron
>> Minneapolis
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Huemax@aol.com
>> To: jb@velostuf.com ; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 10:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Plastic Wheels on Old Steel Campy Record Rear?
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/8/06 12:38:35 PM, jb@velostuf.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> I have owned at least 2 NOS old steel Campy Record rear ders that
>> had
>> plastic pulley wheels. I've also owned NOS Record rears with steel
>> wheels.
>>
>> Can others tell me whether they know, or believe that the later runs
>> of
>> steel Record rear ders came with plastic pulley wheels? (Earlier
>> ones of
>> that model "for sure" came with steel wheels).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I saw/read Japanese collector study, and I do have one set too. Campy
>> DID make some
>> very end productuin steel/bronz Record with plastic wheel as alloy NR,
>> ca, 1968-69.
>>
>> Look/count number of teeh on the plastic pulley wheel, they ought to
>> be "9" instead of 10.
>> Also, look for the mysterious <c> marking, it ought to be on the tab
>> of position adjusting
>> stopper (very small). As you know, they stamped the headset about
>> same time with the
>> <c> marking, not before 1967 and not after 1970.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> KEN TODA, High Point, NC
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:46:02 -0700
> From: jj & kk <designzero@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Market high for 1st gen Record no-logo brakeset?
> Message-ID: <44B132CA.7070200@earthlink.net>
> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOOD60GrKGfOy00003724@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>
> References: <MONKEYFOOD60GrKGfOy00003724@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org>
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>
> Ray Dobbins made mention of this brake set:
> but it is interesting.
>
> eBay item number 260003062649. Link:
>
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
>
> Very nice overall presentation, the high price just makes me wary of
> trying to recreate a 1968 Italian professional level bike.
>
> The special Campagnolo marked O ring replacement on the front adjuster
> looks to me like a pump washer for sealing the pump to the pump end
> fitting.
>
> John Jorgensen
> Palos Verdes Ca
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:11:51 EDT
> From: Huemax@aol.com
> To: designzero@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Market high for 1st gen Record no-logo brakeset?
> Message-ID: <51b.387fd16.31e292d7@aol.com>
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>
>
> In a message dated 7/9/06 12:46:30 PM, designzero@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
>> http://ebay.com/
>> item=260003062649
>>
> Hi all C-R member,
>
> As the seller mentioned in his description, the box is much newer /later
> one.
>
> Is the brake lever set very early 68's? I thought those short reach
> perforated
> ones are from Super Rcord era production form mid to late 70's, isn't it
> right??
>
> Also, isn't it possible to buff off letters on the caliper and re-anodize
> for
> 900.00
> price tag?? See monting bolt "BREV" vs. "PATENT" CAMPAGNOLO, which one
> is
> older. I thoght the "PATENT" one is older??????
>
> Regards to all.
>
> KEN TODA, High Point, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:32:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Bob Hanson <theonetrueBob@webtv.net>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Williams cottered crank question
> Message-ID: <20060709173245.83069.qmail@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> In-Reply-To: <4336-44B084FA-2514@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>
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>
> Speaking of Williams, were there alloy rings available for Williams
> cottered steel cranks as there were for the old Stronglight steel cranks?
> I believe the Williams circle was different from the 116 BCD on the French
> three-arm steel cranks. Did one need different rings, or simply different
> "carriers" to connect the Williams arms to the same rings?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, TX
>
>
>
> Bob Hanson <theonetrueBob@webtv.net> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> The steel Williams chainrings I have are all "threaded". They have
> square headed bolt which pass through the crank arm holes to attach
> directly to the rings themselves. [When I say square headed, do note
> they fit the open end of a 1/4" combination wrench - but not the
> "closed" end... ie: hex bolt required opening].
>
> On the inner sides of the actual chainrings there is a slightly raised
> section surrounding the threaded holes which measures 0.2955 inches or
> 7.51 mm. in its outer diameter. It is this part of the rings which
> would nest precisely into the crankarm's holes... This would be in
> place of a separate nut like we're familiar with on more recent alloy
> cranks like the 49D and the TA 5-vis.
>
>
> Once the chainring is bolted to the crankarm, all that would be visible
> looking onto the front of the right crank would be the very ends of the
> actual bolts (or, more properly, "screws", since they have no
> accompanying bolts).
>
> All very simple, and effective. With steel crank, steel screw, steel
> chainring there was no need to use the more modern style of nut passing
> through the crankarm which both protected the more delicate alloy holes
> and also gave them a strong steel threading to lock the bolts into.
>
> Hope this makes sense. Personally, I would not modify the cranks; I'm
> sure there are far too few of these around already... since my
> chainrings are all dated coded from the 1930s & 1940s as I recall.
>
> Ciao!
>
> Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
>
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> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:43:23 EDT
> From: Huemax@aol.com
> To: jb@velostuf.com, Huemax@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Plastic Wheels on Old Steel Campy Record Rear?
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> In a message dated 7/9/06 10:18:09 AM, jb@velostuf.com writes:
>
>
>> The Japanese collector study shows 2 different versions of plastic wheels
>> used on Record rear- both 9 and 10 teeth:
>>
> Hi John,
>
> I am pertty sure that the 9 teeth is older and even it was equipped with
> Alloy NR at the same
> time with Steel Record. But due to matrial problem(?.. worn too fast and
> cracked), Campy
> quickly changed to 10 tooth pulley. It is highly collectable and rare to
> have 9 tooth ones.
>
> There was an eBay auction of NOS Campy plastic pulley about month ago,
> some
> one paid over
> 1100.00 for the set, but they were not 9 tooth set. but something to do
> with
> wrinting on the
> sidewall(?). I was totaly puzzled about the auction.
>
> Later,
>
> KEN TODA, High Point, NC
>
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> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:56:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>
> To: Huemax@aol.com,
> Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Market high for 1st gen Record no-logo brakeset?
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> Ken, the seller says the box is original but the inlay probably is not.
> As far as the levers, I think they are correct. As the seller notes, the
> holes were drilled before the levers were form-pressed. Later levers had
> the holes punched rather than drilled. The bend was also a little more
> pronounced in the early levers, and as you can see in these levers, the
> tips are less bulbous.
>
> And now, consistent with my bicycle preferences, I'm off to cheer for
> Italy over France in the FIFA World Cup final. Forza Italia! Andiamo
> azzuri!
>
> Ray Dobbins
> Miami Florida
>
> Huemax@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/9/06 12:46:30 PM, designzero@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
>> http://ebay.com/
>> item=260003062649
>>
> Hi all C-R member,
>
> As the seller mentioned in his description, the box is much newer /later
> one.
>
> Is the brake lever set very early 68's? I thought those short reach
> perforated
> ones are from Super Rcord era production form mid to late 70's, isn't it
> right??
>
> Also, isn't it possible to buff off letters on the caliper and re-anodize
> for
> 900.00
> price tag?? See monting bolt "BREV" vs. "PATENT" CAMPAGNOLO, which one is
> older. I thoght the "PATENT" one is older??????
>
> Regards to all.
>
> KEN TODA, High Point, NC
>
>
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