[CR]RE: Fiorelli head badges

> Here's a link to photos of my early-mid 80s COPPI CAMPIONISSIMO by
> Fiorelli. Mostly branded COPPI, but includes seattube "Fiorelli" decal
> too and "F" panto'd downtube shift levers.
>
> You can view the Wool Jersey photos at the following address:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/CoppiCampionissimo
>
> Note the cool large shop decal featured as the first album photo!
>
> Hope this helps out the Fiorelli Coppi owners.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:54:43 +0000 From: "Arno Volkers" <arnovolkers@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Coppi Campionissimo by Fiorelli Photos on Wool Jersey Message-ID: <BAY121-F16AF7566D4FC4435DE9A9A75A0@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <20060725205457.81211.qmail@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6

Nice bike, but my bike is from an earlier period, and it's not build that beautifull with open lugs. my frame looks ike the one on the classicrendezvous website, the proportions and lugs are exactly the same, but is has the normal connection for the rear derailleur.

There's also a number on the frame: 6413 EP 11, i think it's a stamp from the police, to register the bike, but maybe it's not. It's marked in the top of the vertical tube.

greets,

Arno Volkers 5224VG Den Bosch The Netherlands

>From: Kevin Kruger <ktk1_7_0_2_8@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, WBINGHAM@imf.org
>Subject: [CR]Coppi Campionissimo by Fiorelli Photos on Wool Jersey
>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Here's a link to photos of my early-mid 80s COPPI CAMPIONISSIMO by
>Fiorelli. Mostly branded COPPI, but includes seattube "Fiorelli" decal
>too and "F" panto'd downtube shift levers.
>
> You can view the Wool Jersey photos at the following address:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/CoppiCampionissimo
>
> Note the cool large shop decal featured as the first album photo!
>
> Hope this helps out the Fiorelli Coppi owners.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:14:46 -0500 From: "John T.Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@verizon.net> To: <Hughethornton@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Frejus Seat Tube Decal Message-ID: <001b01c6b040$2216e880$2f01a8c0@Perry> In-Reply-To: <bc4.6c013b.31f7e330@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Hugh Thornton wrote:

"does anyone know in which year(s) Olympic Championships were won on Frejus bikes or know in which year Frejus started to use decals proclaiming Olympic championship?"

Hugh, I recently sold a Frejus; here is part of the ad, this may help:

"She still sports her original head tube badge which reads: "Frejus Torino, Campione del Mondo, 1932,48,51,53,54,55". These numbers refer to the dates that The World Championships were won by a rider using a Frejus machine."

John T.Pergolizzi Brooklyn, New York

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:15:00 -0500 From: "John T.Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@verizon.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]FOR SALE Message-ID: <001c01c6b040$2a196260$2f01a8c0@Perry> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

Dear list,

Here goes again:

-Dugast tires; a pair of very, very nice N.O.S. 240 gram cotton road tires “ Made in Thailand” on the rubber, stamped “A.Dugast” on the side wall in blue ink with their bicycle logo. About 5 years old , aged properly on rims. $200.00 the pair

-Fiamme Red label Track rims, a pair , N.O.S. These are the REAL DEAL! The ones with the angled sidewall! These are mid 60’s to mid 70’s. Original oval labels nearly completely intact. $195.00 I ask big, but their unubtainium.

-Campagnolo chainrings:

-50 tooth 151 bcd excellent $25

-46,47,49 144 bcd set all very good to excellent $65 the set

-47 tooth VERY drilled 144 bcd, drilled by Sam Cotton. ARTWORK! $45.00

-Set of “RECORD” toe straps N.O.S. in the original bag, made in Milano , Italy $25.00

-Campagnolo Nuovo Record braze-on shift lever set, , complete, used, excellent, these are the later ones; NO nubbies. $20.00

-Campagnolo Nuovo record seatpost, 27.2, used, early 3ed generation, 2 bolt, very minor zig-zag, will polish up fine. $25.00

Campagnolo Nuovo Record seatpost, 27mm, “short” version, used, not too pretty up close but works fine , complete. $10.00

-Cinelli Steel Track Stem; DEEP drop, 10.5 cm., good over all condition, missing front bolt. $100.00

-Nitto Technomic stem, very lightly used, only insertion ,marks, high rise type for youse Rivendell style guys. 10.5 cm. length, 26.0 quill, $25.00

- BAG O'Boxes; WOW...Jump start your collection; Campagnolo, Universal, TA, Regina; all kinds a BOXES! Empties from another age.

Includes a Campagnolo 1950's Blue/Yellow Pista Crank Box (this one is about $75 on e-bay), plus quite a few various Campy Nuovo Record boxes, and also

includes 4/5 pieces of Campagnolo tissue paper instructions from brakes, bottom brackets etc. Other stuff too! Take it ALL; one money $65.00

-Campagnolo drop out adjusting screws, N.O.S., a pair, 4mm type, VERY RARE, $105.00

-JOS Type B clamp on fork light /Generator, with white Velox wheel rubber, Good over all, works perfectly, $25.00

-Set of Mafac tools, various sizes, open and closed types, 2 are chromed, 8 galvanized (?). $10.00

-Wheelset; Campagnolo Record small flange 32 hole x3 DT 14/15 gauge stainless steel spokes, Mavic GL330 tubular gray anodized rims, used but straight and true,only one build on the hubs, Rear is laced, front is NOT laced (you get the hub, rim and spokes and got to town! What a chance to learn!), curved quick release skewers. $95.00

-Regina CX corncob freewheel; silver 13-18 6 speed, used, needs a cleaning, but lot’s o’life left $20.00

-Silca Impero frame fit pump, black, should fit a bike 20 ¼ center to center give or take a half inch or so. Campagnolo head, works perfectly , over all very good condition but NO rubber feet. $35.00

- BIG BOX O' miscellaneous; good box of stuff, no disappointments guaranteed! $35.00

-Fiamme Rim, GREEN label 36 hole tubular, used but should build up fine. Where you gonna find um? $35.00

-Fiamme Rim, YELLOW label 36 hole tubular, used but should build up fine, more cosmetically challenged then the one above. $25.00 or $50.00 for da both a dem.

TERMS:

Payment via cash, personal check, U.S. Postal money order and PayPal.

Pay Pal to: jtperry1@verizon.net

<******* Pay Pal incurs an extra 1 1/2% on top of the listed price so

as we will share the expense of the convenience.*******>

Actual shipping via U.S.P.S.;

VERY IMPORTANT: Please respond with *******ALL****ALL***ALL**** your info *******INCLUDING YOUR ADRESS *******to cut down on the back and forth.

I'll let cha know pretty quickly iffin yer first and the total with shipping. Sorry in advance to all 2eds.

Thank you one and all,

John T.Pergolizzi

9101 Shore Road, #622

Brooklyn, New York 11209

Pay Pal to: jtperry1@verizon.net

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:16:37 EDT From: AVERYALLEN@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Is it really a 60s Team Mercier? Message-ID: <551.41857e1.31f7f245@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

Listers and Listees,

It is my understanding that Mercier offered the 100, 200 and 300 series for

sale here in the state. The 100 was a low end entry level bike. The 200 was built on a steel frame (not Reynolds) with chromed fork and stays with Juy Simplex dropouts and Simplex Prestige derailleurs. I have seen several 200 models that had a Poulidor bike rider foil decal on the seat tube. I would

imagine they were paying tribute to the guy. The 300 would have been the top of the line with a Reynolds 531 F&F, probably similar or better then a Gitane

TdF or Peugeot PX-10. I am not sure of the componentry.

The Mercier being auctioned on Ebay is built with eyelets on the rear drops. Not a very good indicator of a "Team" bike. Any thoughts to the contrary?

David Allen Marietta, Georgia near the Big Chicken

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:26:19 -0700 From: Terry Farrant <tgf1@shaw.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Module E Message-ID: <002c01c6b039$5adbda60$6400a8c0@josephine> References: <MONKEYFOOD6xzmeWgUS000003d4@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

i have a set of these laced to Maillard hubs on a Bianchi BICI 11 and yes they sure are nice to look at and polish up beautifully. Mine are 27 x 1 1/4

and have the original Michelin Elan tires 27x 1. The bike is from 1983 and these were likely the first hooked rim clinchers from Mavic. Below is an

excerpt from a Mavic timeline but i can't remember what site i got it from. easy enough to google tho.

1983. Module E, a tire rim with hooks, enters the cycling history book. The first rim with double 'hook' bridge to seat a high-pressure tire developed by Michelin: the Elan. With this patented concept, Mavic started developing a new generation of rims for tires that rapidly benefited from all of Mavic's technological innovations. In the cycle-racing world the use of tubular tires gradually declines in favor of tires .

terry g farrant north saanich, british columbia canada

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:28:59 -0400 From: "David Bean" <beandk@rcn.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]"Bidding against yourself" on ebay Message-ID: <001601c6b039$b9ff7970$8f7ba8c0@dkbwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: beandk@rcn.com Message: 11

The ebay system doesn't allow you to bid against yourself. If your $10 bid is winning an auction but you're worried someone else will steal it from you, go ahead and put in another bid of $100. If no one else bids, you'll still win it at $10. It's just another way of raising your MAXIMUM bid. It can be useful to get your foot in the door at a low price (so the auction can't be closed) and then, at the last moment, put in a much higher bid.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:31:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> To: AVERYALLEN@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Is it really a 60s Team Mercier? Message-ID: <20060725223153.10339.qmail@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <551.41857e1.31f7f245@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 12

> The Mercier being auctioned on Ebay is built > with eyelets on the rear drops. > Not a very good indicator of a "Team" bike. > Any thoughts to the contrary?

I suppose it depends on which issue you'd like some disagreement. This is surely not a "pro" bike, but if it is indeed reynolds 531 thoughout, it's likely a high quality frame.

As for the eyelets... in "those days" many pro-level bikes had eyelets. The idea was that you'd install fenders/mudguards for your winter training rides. this was especially the case with French bicycles. Amitiés, Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:46:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Kruger <ktk1_7_0_2_8@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, raleighpro@dejazzd.com Subject: [CR]Coppi Campionissimo Frame "engravings or stampings" vs. decals Message-ID: <20060725224624.33114.qmail@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 13

Hi Pete, The headtube and chainstays on my Coppi are "engraved or stamped" with the "Coppi Wreath" and "Campionissimo". Also note the front and rear drilled Campy dropouts!!! This technique was used on a few other Italian frames from the same period rather than the use of decals.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/CoppiCampionissimo?page=4 http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/CoppiCampionissimo?page=6

Regards, Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:48:32 -0400 From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day - Windy Day in Arles Message-ID: <004801c6b044$dbb5d770$be14fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14

Pic of the Day 25 July, 2006

Seventy-three Years Ago - Windy Day in Arles

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/album17/1933_Vent?full=1

Scene from the 1933 Tour de France. From "Le Miroir des Sports" No.899,

25 July 1933.

Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:23:39 -0600 From: theonetrueBob@webtv.net (Bob Hanson) To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: Hughethornton@aol.com Subject: [CR] Frejus Seat Tube Decal Message-ID: <27894-44C6B60B-1791@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 15

Hello Hugh,

I have a 1969 or 1970 which has the same references (as well as "Frejus... Torino"). On my bike, the head "badge" is the same transfer as on the seat tube. Afraid I can't help you with actual dates, but I will keep looking. Perhaps this will at least be a start toward narrowing down the time.

Good Luck! Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA

Hugh wrote: I have a Frejus seat tube decal that I am trying to date to determine whether it is appropriate to a frame I am going to have refinished. The decal refers to Frejus being World Champion and Olympic Champion. The many World Championship dates are easy to track down, but does anyone know in which year(s) Olympic Championships were won on Frejus bikes or know in which year Frejus started to use decals proclaiming Olympic championship?

Hugh Thornton Cheshire, England

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:34:02 -0400 From: "Aldo Ross" <aldoross4@siscom.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Pic of the Day - Shade Message-ID: <000801c6b053$9be35960$e814fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16

Pic of the Day Sixty-Seven Years Ago - Shade

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/album17/1939_Shade?full=1

The Tour caravan, stopped by a closed level crossing, rests in the shade

of a tree-lined road. From "Le Miroir des Sports" No.1077, 25 July 1939.

Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio

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