Re: FW: [CR]Is there a book about how to file ornate lugs?

(Example: Production Builders:Cinelli:Laser)

From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 05:01:08 GMT
To: Jonathanadamgree@aol.com
Subject: Re: FW: [CR]Is there a book about how to file ornate lugs?
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Jon,

Nice little dogpile you guys formed up. Are you guys nervous about

something? Since the fan clubs are forming up against the evil one,

maybe you all could clue in the rest of us as to what is making you

guys jump to conclusions.

Shall we discuss the politics of what has been going on for some time

now? It's beginning to be pretty obvious that it's everyone else

against me. That means I'm the one that is different from all of the

rest of the guys in "the club". I'm down with that. Maybe we should

all discuss this openly instead of you guys jumping all over me

without you even knowing what's going on; not with me as a

framebuilder and most especially you don't know me as a person. I've

tried to get friendly with everyone, but no one is open. Who resents

what?

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA Sorry everyone is possibly going to have to sit through (or not) a

bit of a tiff. Not all framebuilders agree with one another nor have

the same personal philosophy. There is confilct. My point of view,

like my work, is unique.


-- Jonathanadamgree@aol.com wrote:


Brian,

I think your message about a certain frame builder is misguided.

While I

consider the person your referring to a good friend he is also a

mentor, but not

just to me but many amateur and pro frame builders. I can't name one

person

in the industry you dabble in who has spent as much time, or created

more

resources for the hobby builder as the builder you malign. This

builder has

numerous build sequences photographed and posted in his picture site

for everyone

to see how he does things. This builder has also provided a master

list of

web links to other framebuilders picture sites. But mostly, he has

contributed

his time directly to anyone who simply just asks for help. This

builder has

done more to unwrap the secrecy of frame building and encourage

people like

myself to pick up a file, a torch and give it a try than anyone I

have ever

heard of. I don't know what you stand to gain by your words because

your

reputation as a craftsman and painter are second to none, but I

couldn't let your

words live cached for eternity on the www without a proper rebuttal.

Jonathan Greene Oviedo FL

In a message dated 7/29/2006 1:18:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

brianbaylis@juno.com writes:

Recently there was some talk on one of the "lists" regarding what it

takes to learn to build frames. One long time builder remarked that

it takes building lots of frames to become an "expert" and get to

where you really know what you're doing; and if you don't build

enough you won't be that good at it. That is pure foolishness and

comes from someone who is obviously trying to keep the process a

mystery. Any idiot knows that framebuilding is pretty simple in the

basic form and most anyone with reasonable motor skills, some

patience, and a good dose of common sense, and a little practice,

can

build excellent bike frames. The notion that framebuilding is magic

or difficult is pure hogwash. Anyone in the framebuilding business

who trys to make people think it's something special should be

ashamed of themselves. Period.