First to kill the last thread since it wasn't titled correctly. Since
Brian and I were the only guys who had commented on the thread AND also received paychecks for building frames I can say there were no quarreling framebuilders. The thread should have been titled non- builders speaking out of their a$$. The guy folks seem to feel brian
"attacked" is a big boy and reads the list and can take care of himself if he feels like he's being maligned. Like all occupations there are folks that disagree on how to do things and the direction the industry is going. Should all dentists, accountants, and teachers also fall into lockstep on everything within their respective ?
Secondly, speaking of agreement there are many reasons Chuck is almost a personal hero of mine. The current reason is that he's 100%
correct about the appreciation of handmade goods as it pertains to the United States. Look at magazines like Make and Craft and ask the
local yarn store about the explosion in knitting. Even the current movement in pre-fab house building is about making truly custom housed affordable to the masses. Folks who don't see the renaissance
of custom and handmade goods need to take a look around the world outside of themselves.
Third to bring things back around to something the list can relate to. Classic bikes as we define them on this list haven't ever been as popular as they are today. More young people today are appreciating the bikes of their fathers and grandfathers than I've sen in the last 20 years. There are bunches of folks building their own frames and what are they building. . . lugged frames based on traditional designs. Maybe 10%-15% of the newbie builders today are primarily building in anything other steel and lugs. I've never seen
such an increase in folks building their own bikes and frames.
Anyway I'm off to drink some craft brewed beers, eat some handmade dinner, and then finish with a pie Mitzi made this afternoon. best, Brandon"monkeyman"Ives Coeur d'Alene, Idaho PS: The pie crust was made by hand and is filled with hand-picked huckleberries from up the hill.
On Aug 4, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Chuck Schmidt wrote:
> I guess that I misunderstood you then Gabriel if respect for handwork
> comes from using a screwdriver and working on a construction site. I
> thought you meant respect and the appreciation of craftsmanship by
> your phrase "respect for handwork".
>
> I think (my opinion here) that if you went back to a period when
> everything was made by hand, that there was no more appreciation
> (respect) for handwork than there would be now by the general
> populous. But I would say there are more people now that seek out
> something made by hand and have an appreciation for craftsmanship
> than ever before. Maybe you would call these people "afficiendos"
> but that's not how I would characterize them.
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:54 AM, gabriel l romeu wrote:
>
>> by the afficiendos Chuck. How many kids aspire to an occupation
>> that incorporates handwork these days? How many people are going
>> out of their way to buy something uniquely hand made in the
>> furniture market- my greatest competition is high end production.
>>
>> HOw many young people do you know of that has picked up a
>> screwdriver? How many do you see working on a construction site?
>>
>> or it just could be sunny and hot central new jersey, usa,
>>
>> c ya, gabriel
>>
>> Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>>> Gabriel Romeu wrote:
>>>> Also, there does not seem to be as much respect for handwork
>>>> these days.
>>>> That will change (I think and hope) as it becomes rarer. This
>>>> list, as a whole has one thing in common, we all have a deep
>>>> respect for the object and what it took to produce that object.
>>> Can't speak for the rest of the US but here in California it seems
>
>>> to me there has always been a demand and respect for handwork.
>>> Bikes, motorcycles, cars, houses etc. back as far as can be
>>> imagined. I'm sure it can't be unique to California...
>>> Chuck Schmidt
>>> South Pasadena, Southern California
>>
>> --
>> gabriel l romeu
>> ± http://studiofurniture.com Ø http://journalphoto.org ±