[CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 44, Issue 26

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Subject: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 44, Issue 26

I think I have an extra NOS set Jimmy.

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Today's Topics:

1. How do you remove clear coat off bicycle frame? (Phil Scott) 2. WTB Christophe special toe clips (jimmy katynski) 3. Are Atom 5-speed screw-on cogs & Regina 5-sp cogs interchangeable? (Amir Avitzur) 4. Re: I.D. old trackie / removing stuck seat post (R.S. Broderick) 5. I.D. old trackie (JB Froke) 6. Re: I.D. old trackie / removing stuck seat post (ternst) 7. Re: Re: KOF rules! (Chuck Schmidt) 8. RE: I.D. old trackie (Otis) 9. Motobecane Specs 10. Rene Herse about the internal cable entry...I goofed (Don Wilson) 11. Re: Does brazing release toxic emissions? (brianbaylis@juno.com) 12. Re: How do you remove clear coat off bicycle frame? (brianbaylis@juno.com) 13. guerciotti bicycle 14. Re: guerciotti bicycle (jj & kk) 15. 1951 Hetchins mystery (Edward Albert) 16. Re: 1951 Hetchins mystery (Edward Albert)

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 22:00:28 -0400 From: "Phil Scott" <pdscott@woh.rr.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]How do you remove clear coat off bicycle frame? Message-ID: <000001c6b8fc$17afe2b0$16ef1c41@IDODESIGNS> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1

How do you remove clear coat off bicycle frame without removing paint?

Phil Scott

Clayton, Ohio

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:24:31 -0700 (PDT) From: jimmy katynski <jimmycue@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB Christophe special toe clips Message-ID: <20060806022431.23604.qmail@web35507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2

I have a 74 masi gc that im trying to bring back to original, the only part im missing are the correct toe clips. The clips were some off brand and i think the christophe special steel toe clips were standard equipment back then. If any list member has a set to sell or trade please let me know. I need the large size for my size 10 feet. Thanks

Jimmy Katynski 31543 Edgeworth Dr Madison Heights Mi 48071 248-396-3465

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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:38:06 +0200 From: Amir Avitzur <avitzur@013.net> To: Classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Are Atom 5-speed screw-on cogs & Regina 5-sp cogs interchangeable? Message-ID: <JJEEKLDDELHGFDGDBELBEEPBDHAA.avitzur@013.net.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1255 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3

When looking for cogs for my Regina Extra, should I restrict my search to Regina cogs, or will Atom cogs work as well?

Amir Avitzur R"G, Israel

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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:23:00 -0500 From: "R.S. Broderick" <rsb000@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: neill_currie@comcast.net Subject: Re: [CR]I.D. old trackie / removing stuck seat post Message-ID: <BAY109-F849D29ED1AF4A0E44AEE59C560@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <009f01c6b8fa$ffd4aaa0$6400a8c0@Presario> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4

Neill,

You are absolutely correct with respect to Coke being an excellent solution (...no pun intended) to the problem. In fact, this is a venerable old Hot Rodder's trick for freeing up that stuck piston in the Ford flathead engine block you found rusting away in some farmer's back-forty (...I learned it from my father who said he first employed this tactic back in the 1930's). Over the years, I have used this unusual fix with success on several occasions (...pistons, seat posts, as well as a host of other stubborn objects - although I have found it to be entirely ineffectual with respect to stubborn individuals, unless perhaps you add some rum to the mix).

Robert "things go better with Coca-Cola" Broderick ...the "Frozen Flatlands" of South Dakota

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>From: "Neill Currie" <neill_currie@comcast.net>
>To: <otis@otisrecords.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]I.D. old trackie
>Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:52:39 -0400
>
>Otis wrote:
>""Not even sure if that's possible, would probably take months of
>soaking to just break the post loose,""
>---------------------
>Only help I can be is this story.
>Found an OT bike in the trash with a stuck post. Tried ALL the usual
>methods, including extra friends and a large bench-mounted vice.
>Couldn't budge it. The bench did separate itself from the wall though
>under maximal grunting. Didn't want to saw it out.
>Anyway, did a little googling, found someone who'd freed a post finally
>with Coke, yes, Coke.
>So...I removed the BB, inverted bike, emptied a can of regular Coke
>up/down the seat-tube, let it marinate overnight. Pulled it right out
>the next day, by myself, with just my right hand. The post was all
>eaten away on the frame/post interface(presumably from the "secret"
>ingredients/acid in the Coke, but the seattube was untouched!!
>So, if that post of yours is Aluminium, it MAY be far less work than
>you think. This trick doesn't work on a steel post however, which that
>might be.
>Neill
>
>
>Neill Currie
>Hillsborough
>Nh 03244
>USA
>...............
>
>My blog is here:
><http://blogericious.blogspot.com/>
>
>My Mountain Goat website is here:
><http://www.geocities.com/neill1234/index.html?1011568933040>
>
>_______________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:24:13 -0700 From: "JB Froke" <jbfroke@msn.com> To: <otis@otisrecords.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Neill Currie" <neill_currie@comcast.net> Subject: [CR] I.D. old trackie Message-ID: <BAY114-DAV128589BD78FD423F18482B8560@phx.gbl> References: <009f01c6b8fa$ffd4aaa0$6400a8c0@Presario> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5

Otis, Neill & All,

Surely I am wizened enough to say something like, "your answer -- same as you used plus other curious concoctions, each effervescently suspended by historic "it's the real thing" conversation -- lay in waiting inside the CR Archives," which are free to CR subscribers. Just ask Your On-T Question and see what bubbles up!

JB Froke Pebble Beach CA USA

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:26:11 -0700 From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net> To: "R.S. Broderick" <rsb000@hotmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: neill_currie@comcast.net Subject: Re: [CR]I.D. old trackie / removing stuck seat post Message-ID: <006301c6b908$107bbee0$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51> References: <BAY109-F849D29ED1AF4A0E44AEE59C560@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Does Pepsi work, too?
Ted Ernst
Palos Verdes Estates
CA USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "R.S. Broderick"
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Cc: neill_currie@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]I.D. old trackie / removing stuck seat post



> Neill,
>
> You are absolutely correct with respect to Coke being an excellent
> solution (...no pun intended) to the problem. In fact, this is a
> venerable old Hot Rodder's trick for freeing up that stuck piston in the
> Ford flathead engine block you found rusting away in some farmer's
> back-forty (...I learned it from my father who said he first employed this
> tactic back in the 1930's). Over the years, I have used this unusual fix
> with success on several occasions (...pistons, seat posts, as well as a
> host of other stubborn objects - although I have found it to be entirely
> ineffectual with respect to stubborn individuals, unless perhaps you add
> some rum to the mix).
>
> Robert "things go better with Coca-Cola" Broderick
> ...the "Frozen Flatlands" of South Dakota
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>From: "Neill Currie" <neill_currie@comcast.net>
>>To: <otis@otisrecords.com>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>Subject: Re: [CR]I.D. old trackie
>>Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:52:39 -0400
>>
>>Otis wrote:
>>""Not even sure if that's possible, would
>>probably take months of soaking to just break the post loose,""
>>---------------------
>>Only help I can be is this story.
>>Found an OT bike in the trash with a stuck post. Tried ALL the usual
>>methods, including extra friends and a large bench-mounted vice.
>>Couldn't budge it. The bench did separate itself from the wall though
>>under maximal grunting. Didn't want to saw it out.
>>Anyway, did a little googling, found someone who'd freed a post finally
>>with Coke, yes, Coke.
>>So...I removed the BB, inverted bike, emptied a can of regular Coke
>>up/down the seat-tube, let it marinate overnight. Pulled it right out
>>the next day, by myself, with just my right hand. The post was all eaten
>>away on the frame/post interface(presumably from the "secret"
>>ingredients/acid in the Coke, but the seattube was untouched!!
>>So, if that post of yours is Aluminium, it MAY be far less work than you
>>think. This trick doesn't work on a steel post however, which that might
>>be.
>>Neill
>>
>>
>>Neill Currie
>>Hillsborough
>>Nh 03244
>>USA
>>...............
>>
>>My blog is here:
>><http://blogericious.blogspot.com/>
>>
>>My Mountain Goat website is here:
>><http://www.geocities.com/neill1234/index.html?1011568933040>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:57:28 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: KOF rules! Message-ID: <F31E49F0-BFFC-4429-ABD5-A435E9E6BACF@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90702D055@hippy.home.here> References: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90702D055@hippy.home.here> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Mark Bulgier wrote:
> (snip)
> The Pop Mech article states Sachs joints are "hand-mitered so that
> each
> end fits perfectly". Damn I wish I knew how he does that. I used to
> get mine to within a millionth of an inch of perfect, but never
> achieved
> perfection. That's why Sachs makes the big bucks I guess.

Rest easy Mark. I think the Pop Mech writer must have misquoted Richie since the RS company slogan that appears with the RS company logo states the following: "imperfection is perfection"

Chuck "Since 1944" Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:14:50 -0700 From: "Otis" <otis@otisrecords.com> To: "JB Froke" <jbfroke@msn.com> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR] I.D. old trackie Message-ID: <DMEJIHDFKPCMMPJEINFDEEOGEHAA.otis@otisrecords.com> In-Reply-To: <BAY114-DAV128589BD78FD423F18482B8560@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8

Uh thanks?, but before my post gets derailed further. I'm not asking for advice on how to unstick a seat-post. I've plenty of experience in that area. I'm looking for the half dozen or so guys out there with knowledge of pre-war track machines to chime in on possible marques, and if the condition would warrant any possible restoration attempt.

Thanks, Jon Williams Grants Pass OR -----Original Message----- From: JB Froke [mailto:jbfroke@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 7:24 PM To: otis@otisrecords.com; Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org; Neill Currie Subject: [CR] I.D. old trackie

Otis, Neill & All,

Surely I am wizened enough to say something like, "your answer -- same as you used plus other curious concoctions, each effervescently suspended by historic "it's the real thing" conversation -- lay in waiting inside the CR Archives," which are free to CR subscribers. Just ask Your On-T Question and see what bubbles up!

JB Froke Pebble Beach CA USA

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:39:41 -0500 From: <ogreer@bellsouth.net> To: <AVERYALLEN@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Motobecane Specs Message-ID: <001501c6b912$57f8f080$6101a8c0@Dickey> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9

Allen, I have 75-78 if you or anyone want them. these were zeroxed from the Motobecane pamplets by Bill Reichert about 15 years ago. Also touch up paint for the Silver Grand Records and Le Champions about 72-77. Hobby Lobby has Model Master # 4679 Steel, in small bottles, a very close match and can be air brushed over scratches. Dickey Greer West Monroe,La Dickey's Recreation Room

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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:44:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Rene Herse about the internal cable entry...I goofed Message-ID: <20060806064448.33702.qmail@web52507.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060805213933.39301.qmail@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Yep, I've gone back, because everyone said I was way wrong, and, well, I was wrong. I didn't look closely enough. Wasn't joking. Just wrong.

Don Wilson
Los Olivos, CA USA


--- Fred Rafael Rednor wrote:


> My suspicion is that Don was a bit deceived by the
> reflections
> from the flash, or perhaps by the pitting in the
> plating. So
> relax... :-D
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>
> --- Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Don Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > Keen eyes look at the picture of this Herse
> showing
> > > the top tube where the brake cable enters the
> top tube
> > > for internal routing. Look how gobby the metal
> is
> > > around the entry port. Were Rene Herse's frame
> > > builders known for doing such sloppy work, or
> was this
> > > an after market modification? Otherwise quite a
> neat
> > > bike.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gobby metal around the cable entry port? What I
> see is a
> > piece of
> > thin sheet metal beautifully formed to create an
> entry point
> > into the
> > tube, very cleanly brazed.
> >
> > Cable entry pix:
> >
> http://www.pianosromantiques.com/images/DSC_00104.JPG
> >
> > Sloppy work??? You're kidding right???
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, Southern California
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:53:57 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com> To: dcwilson3@yahoo.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Does brazing release toxic emissions? Message-ID: <20060806.065445.16672.613160@webmail45.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11

Don,

What framebuilders should be concerned about are the florides (sp?)

that are released from the brazing flux. Do not breath the stuff. Do

not braze in a draft, but it is advisable to have adaquate exhausted

ventilation. I still use Easy-flow 45 silver brazing allow because

from my experience it is still the most ideal and superior silver

allow for brazing frames. Many seem to be afraid of the cadmimium. So

be afraid. I am not. To release the Cad one must overheat the silver.

Since Cad is a heavy metal it will seek ground level. You do not want

your pet dog hanging around the shop where you are brazing; and avoid

braking while lying on the floor also. ;-) Care must be taken to wash

your hands after handeling brazing rod, which one should do no matter

what type of brazing you do. For total safety from brazing gasses I

suggest a full Haz/Mat suit with fresh air resperator, full armour

shit, and a chastity belt. Personally, I'm just careful with my

materials, know what to be careful of, and then become one with my

process and materials. Fear of the stuff is far worse than the

material in many cases. Just my opinion. In painting it is even more

important.

So Don, I do wear protection while brazing; just not the type one

would expect. But I've never spread Cadmimum to anyone else.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA Brazing condoms available, just ask at the deug counter.


-- Don Wilson wrote:


I read somewhere that brazing releases toxic emissions, not just from the torch combustion, but from the metals and flux being heated.

1. Is this true?

2. If yes to 1, then do framebuilders protect themselves from the toxic emissions?

3. If yes to 2, how do they protect themselves?

Don Wilson Los Olivos, CA USA

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:18:38 GMT From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com> To: pdscott@woh.rr.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]How do you remove clear coat off bicycle frame? Message-ID: <20060806.071920.16672.613269@webmail45.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12

Phil,

The answer to that is generally you don't. Circumstances would

dictate what one may or may not get away with or what else to try

instead. Why do you want to remove a clear coat??

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA


-- "Phil Scott" wrote:


How do you remove clear coat off bicycle frame without removing paint?

Phil Scott

Clayton, Ohio

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 10:28:06 EDT From: KvnMuadib@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]guerciotti bicycle Message-ID: <2fd.7b61a680.32075676@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13

i have a chance to buy a 58 cm guerciotti 550 to 575 depending on final neg.looks to be in very good condition could be an 83 all campy equipped but with mixed bag of components 980 rear der.brakes leverc rally or triomphe crankset campy hubs tubular rims frame is about identical to black sl on cr guerciotti pg.though not as perfect .good deal. fair price ,top dollar?any feedback appreciated kevin ruberg howell nj

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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 08:13:33 -0700 From: jj & kk <designzero@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]guerciotti bicycle Message-ID: <44D6071D.1050807@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODJiY9ZNMji000016e6@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODJiY9ZNMji000016e6@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14

Kevin-

Regarding your possible purchase of a $550.+/- Guerciotti

Could be any version of a deal you described. Much more information would be needed to assess. First, does it fit? If it does not then be sure you know why you are buying it. If it fits, and is rideable, do you like it? Would you ride it?

There are very few bikes I would buy as wall art, so few in fact that I have none.

If purchasing to sell, then one must have the used car dealer point of view.

John Jorgensen Palos Verdes Ca USA ------------------------------

Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:50:08 -0400 From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]1951 Hetchins mystery Message-ID: <s4d5d791.003@GW15.hofstra.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15

HELP! I very much am in need of advice from the list. Recently I purchased a 1951 Hetchins Magnum Opus phase One from the original owner. At the time he got the bike he lived and raced in New York and special ordered it with double downtube cable stop braze on fittings for Cyclo bar end shifters. He also had a front derailleur braze on put on the seat tube. As can be seen in the pics the Cyclo shifters have been replaced by early Campy Gran Sports, the rear derailleur with a nuovo record, and the front derailleur with a "home made" adaption of an early Campy gran sport to fit the fitting. Here is the rub. the gran sport no longer functions and he has no recollection of what the original front derailleur was. Search as I may I cannot find anything that might work on this braze on, which, I must add, IS original to the 1951 build. I have spoken with Frank Berto about it (he has not seen the pics) and he thought that perhaps the original was a a Simplex Juy 53. Seems the Juy 53 actually came out in 52 and the bike was probably not delivered until 52. Anyway, I have looked at that derailleur and am unsure if it could work....even if it could it is an unobtainable I think. Again, Anyone have any thoughts about what might work here. Otherwise I think the spot will remain empty. I don't think I could take that Pics of the bike can be seen on wool jersey at the following address: http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=159061

Again, Any and all thoughts greatly apppreciated. Edward Albert Chappaqua, NY

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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 13:31:46 -0400 From: "Edward Albert" <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]1951 Hetchins mystery Message-ID: <s4d5ef6b.010@GW15.hofstra.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16

Jamie Swan suggested I post some clearer closeups of the bolt hole fixture so I added a bunch. At wool Jeresey http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=159061

Again thanks for any help on this. Edward Albert Chappaqua, NY

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