[CR]More "Why, why, why?"

(Example: Framebuilders:Jack Taylor)

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:58:27 -0400
From: <oroboyz@aol.com>
In-Reply-To: <20060824012447.83144.qmail@web60413.mail.yahoo.com>
To: raydobbins2003@yahoo.com, chuckschmidt@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]More "Why, why, why?"

Boy it's fun reading the Archives.. I virtually never do and there is so much cool stuff there! Thanks to Chuck (incessantly) and Ray for reminding me..

My favorite is a 2003 message from a (now vanished) Jim Hultman and my ever so wise (wise ass?) answer:

"Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:56:48 EDT Subject: Re: [CR]1983?? Guess I'm looking for a new list...

In a message dated 6/3/2003 4:32:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, italianthread(AT)cox.net writes:

<< How about a new list named : "Bikes Pooh-Poohed by ClassicRendezvous" Maybe on such a list, rides like my Serotta Colorado, Maza Max or Slim Chance could bask in praise from admirers other than myself. Certainly newbies on their alumino-carbons have no idea how fine steel bikes can be...so there's not much to chat with them about... except component weight & $300 bike shoes. But I guess if a little teeny bit of tube shaping signals the end of the Classic Era...1983 is a reasonably good bookend. I'd better keep my fine-riding '83 BJ Special Tourist in this case. Jim Hultman Fogbound in Santa Barbara with a veritable museum of red-hot. well-designed, great riding, off-topic late eighties bikes hanging in the garage, sadly snubbed by both old & new guard (sniff). >>

Yes, this list sucks. Why can't we talk about Balloon tired bikes?.. they were really cool. And how about British sports cars? Are you guys saying they aren't neato? And what about Circus memorabilia? And Cannondales are really really fast and made by hand in the USA!

Geez. The point is that if we do not have some limits on the discussions we will all get twice as much mail. I can barely read it all as it is! The biggest single complaint and reason for quite a few very interesting people quitting this list is that certain members cannot limit themselves to the topic and the mail is overwhelming!

If the limitations leaves out something you want, there is absolutely nothing keeping any one from starting another list covering whatever topic, within as broad or narrow limits, as the list owner wants. I will be among the first to join. But someone has to get off their behinds and take the responsibility.

Membership here is still voluntary as far as I know...

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina"

Dale Brown Greensboro, NC USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com

-----Original Message----- From: raydobbins2003@yahoo.com To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Newbie question, "Why 1983 cutoff?"

Dale has explained the 1983 cutoff several times over the years, and it makes for interesting reading. For those who are interested in the history of the 1983 cutoff, as well as a deeper understanding of Dale's reasoning, the following is a link to all of Dale's posts which contain "1983" - a total of 46 illuminating posts:

http://search.bikelist.org/?SearchString=1983&MsgFrom=oroboyz@aol.com

Anybody who reads all 46 of Dale's posts will certainly achieve Master of Cutoff status.

Ray Dobbins Miami Florida

Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> wrote: 10504.0535.eml>

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

On Aug 23, 2006, at 5:16 PM, oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Randall:
>
> << his discussion does bring up what I'm sure is a naive question
> -- what is it
> about 1983 that makes it the cutoff year? Is it arbitrary or was
> there a
> paradigm-shifting technological or marketing development? >>
>
> I am going to put this out for response by some of the long
> standing CR members as I have to bolt to a meeting and am a one-
> finger typist and it will take a paragraph or two......
>
> Tell em, lads! (Please!)
>
> Thanks
> Dale
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC USA
> List owner & web master
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmikkelsen@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 5:56 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re: Delta brakes -- newbie question
>
>
> This discussion does bring up what I'm sure is a naive question --
> what is it
> about 1983 that makes it the cutoff year? Is it arbitrary or was
> there a
> paradigm-shifting technological or marketing development? --
> Randall Mikkelsen,
> Rockville, Maryland ('78 Chris Kvale)
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