Re: [CR]Ebay neglects to remove counterfeit Colnago

(Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti)

Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:40:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay neglects to remove counterfeit Colnago
From: "Michael Schmidt" <mdschmidt@patmedia.net>
To: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com>, <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Thread-Topic: [CR]Ebay neglects to remove counterfeit Colnago
Thread-Index: Acbbe9UjE/KOqkdvEdu5TwAWy8lbaw==
In-Reply-To: <8C8A9852E51ACE8-17E4-236A@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com>


Dale, You are right behind General Motors and Ford

On 9/18/06 6:01 PM, "oroboyz@aol.com" <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:
> << Colnago is not a monstrous industrial company. There are not more
> than 30 people
> total who work for Colnago, whether in the offices, shipping or
> production. By my measures that is a small company. If I am not
> mistaken, even a shop like Dale's has close to that many people working
> for him each year, when you count the part-timers.>>
>
> You mean cycles de ORO is not considered a "monstrous industrial
> company"? Rats!!!
>
> Dale Brown
> cycles de ORO, Inc.
> 1410 Mill Street
> Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA
> 336-274-5959
> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
> Giant, Specialized, Orbea, Felt, Landshark, Pinarello, Colnago, Townie
> and other exotica.
> National Bicycle Dealers Association Board member
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheMaaslands@comcast.net
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 4:33 PM
> Subject: [CR]Ebay neglects to remove counterfeit Colnago
>
> Monkeyman wrote:
>
> "This bike would date from the late-80s to early-90s. To my eyes the
> tubing decal looks correct. Also the seatstay caps and rear brake
> bridge
> look right too."
>
> I would tend to agree with Brandon on this point. This looked like a
> legit Colnago bike that was perhaps sold in Belgium by the local
> distributor there. It is not of the level that were then sold in the
> US,
> but looks plausible. It should also be pointed out that the Belgian
> distributor has an agreement with Colnago to buy frames in unpainted
> state and paint them in his own paint shop, so paint schemes that are
> not or no longer available from Colnago in Italy can at times be found
> through the Belgian sales network.
>
> Brandon then went on to state: "Folks need to remember that Colnago is
> a
> BIG company not some small handful of guys making frames. Colnagos are
> mass produced on a large assembly line by a bunch guys and some robots.
>
> If you don't believe me download the video from Mark Bulgier's site
> <http://bulgier.net/vids/Bike/>. On a usual work day each of the
> stations on that frame and fork line would have a person on it."
>
> Here I would like to completely disagree with the Monkeyman. Colnago is
> not a monstrous industrial company. There are not more than 30 people
> total who work for Colnago, whether in the offices, shipping or
> production. By my measures that is a small company. If I am not
> mistaken, even a shop like Dale's has close to that many people working
> for him each year, when you count the part-timers. Then when you
> consider the average employee has worked there for over 15 years, you
> can see that this is not a standard industrial company. The short video
> that Brandon alluded to dates from a number of years ago when they were
> produing almost exclusively steel frame bikes. If I recall correctly,
> the production line, which is located in the basement of Ernesto's
> home,
> has 14 positions, which actually represents 7 actual brazing positions
> and 7 preheat stations, so at maximum production back in the day, there
> were only 7 frame brazers plus another 3 fork brazers. Today,
> virtually,
> if not actually all, of the steel frames are made by one single retired
> frame-builder who comes in to earn some pocket money. He generally does
> not use the production line, because the demand is simply not there.
> The
> fellow checking the frame on the table in the video is none other than
> Vanni Brambilla, Ernesto's son-in-law, and father of Alessandro Colnago
> the third generation Colnago to join the company (who legally had his
> family name changed from Brambilla to Colnago!) Vanni has actually been
> responsible for all new frame designs for close to the last 10 years
> now.
>
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ
> USA
>
>
>
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