im looking for any info to a frejus 1950s frameset,is there any books or
information on this bike.
what sort of groupset was used,and any detail and availability source to
the bits.
yours faithfuly malcolm summers,north wales uk
>-- Original Message --
>From: classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
>Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 46, Issue 58
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Reply-To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: 16 Oct 2006 14:28:11 -0700
>
>
>Send Classicrendezvous mailing list submissions to
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://www.bikelist.org/
>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org
>
>You can reach the person managing the list at
> classicrendezvous-owner@bikelist.org
>
>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>than "Re: Contents of Classicrendezvous digest..."
>
>
>CR
>
>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Colnago Master/ C-Record (Hennie van Leeuwen)
> 2. FS: Regina Freewheel and Chain (Yanko Damboulev)
> 3. Seattle Craigslist: Mid 70's 531 Crescent w/Campy $150
> 4. Want to buy - fifties components - reformatted!
> (Fraser Cunningham)
> 5. Can't Identify this bike (Nathan Aschbacher)
> 6. clarification: WTB: Super Record drive side crank arm
> (ryan hildebrand)
> 7. Re: Next year's Velo Rendezvous 7 (Chuck Schmidt)
> 8. 1952 R.O. Harrison Catalogues on Ebay (Don Wilson)
> 9. Follow up to Branford Bike Shop fire (cnighbor)
> 10. Peugeot PY10CP on eBay... (Chuck Schmidt)
> 11. Re: Campag Gran Sport and Sport.
> 12. Re: Can't Identify this bike (Joseph Bender-Zanoni)
> 13. RE: 1952 R.O. Harrison Catalogues on Ebay (neil foddering)
> 14. Re: Can't Identify this bike (Nathan Aschbacher)
> 15. More Viking
> 16. Re: More Viking (Phil Sieg)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:07:51 +0200
>From: "Hennie van Leeuwen" <hjleeuw@tiscali.nl>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Colnago Master/ C-Record
>Message-ID: <002d01c6f156$607946c0$2101a8c0@hennie>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Precedence: list
>Reply-To: Hennie van Leeuwen <hjleeuw@tiscali.nl>
>Message: 1
>
>Some more experienced members told me C Record is off the list. Sorry if
>
>I offended someone ! I will do my homework better in the future. Just
>wanted to give the members a chance to buy some off the most beautiful
>parts ever made (in my opinion).
>As English is not my language, what does "keeping up the flame" mean in
>the CR rules ?
>Best regards,
>
>Hennie van Leeuwen
>Veenendaal, Holland
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:33:56 -0700
>From: "Yanko Damboulev" <yanko@ffi.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]FS: Regina Freewheel and Chain
>Message-ID: <00ab01c6f15a$05e915b0$2a617443@Yanko>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Precedence: list
>Reply-To: Yanko Damboulev <yanko@ffi.com>
>Message: 2
>
>I have a Regina Oro freewheel (6 speed, Italian) and Regina Oro chain
>(links drilled in the middle) for sale. Both new in boxes.
>
>$ 50.00 for both, plus shipping.
>
>Yanko Damboulev
>LA, CA 90069
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:41:36 -0700
>From: masirider@mac.com
>To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Seattle Craigslist: Mid 70's 531 Crescent w/Campy $150
>Message-ID: <BD7C9F5C-A078-4837-B1EF-D5CACCE493A4@mac.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flow
ed
>MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3)
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 3
>
>Looks like a good deal for Crescent fans. Not my size. No interest,
>no relation.
>
>http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/221407010.html
>
>Drew Ellison
>Everett, WA USA
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:48:07 -0800
>From: Fraser Cunningham <frasertri@ispanywhere.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Want to buy - fifties components - reformatted!
>Message-ID: <200610161948.k9GJm7IQ001442@etamin.cybrhost.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>Precedence: list
>Reply-To: Fraser Cunningham <frasertri@ispanywhere.com>
>Message: 4
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm re-sending this because I
>
>
>
> Fellow listmembers, I
>
>
>1) Period correct pedals (pref.
>
>2) Period correct (or close)
>
>3) Period correct pista (deep drop)
>
>4) Inch pitch chainring for Williams
>
>
>
>5) Inch pitch cog for rear - same as
>
> Thanks in hopeful anticipation!
>
> Fraser Cunningham
>
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
>________________________________________________This
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:54:18 -0700
>From: Nathan Aschbacher <nathan.aschbacher@gmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Can't Identify this bike
>Message-ID: <78F1EB84-9187-4148-83CA-AAFBD236113B@gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flow
ed
>MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3)
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 5
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm new to the list.
>
>I recently purchased a beautiful vintage road bike, but I'm totally
>uncertain of its era or make.
>
>Here's a link to some pictures of the bike (built up with modern
>parts) and the original fork (not used because of a switch to 700c
>wheels):
>
>http://www.cellsixtyone.com/temp_images/bike/bike.html
>
>Here's everything I know about it:
>
>1) Previous owner suspected it was a Cinelli, hence the stickers, but
>I'm highly doubtful.
>2) Originally had 27" wheels.
>3)Suntour dropouts.
>4) Fork has a slight slope to the crown.
>5) On the non-drive side of the bike just below the seat cluster
>appears to be the serial number stamped into the seattube lengthwise.
>6) The lug-style looks similar but not identical to a 60's era Masi
>Special.
>7) It's been repainted (badly).
>8) No braze-on's
>9) I believe it is Italian, but I'm not certain.
>
>Anyone have any clues or ideas? I've dug round oldroads.com and
>wooljersey.com a bit, as well as the pictures section of this site,
>but nothing conclusive.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Nathan Aschbacher
>Spokane, WA
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:55:47 -0700
>From: "ryan hildebrand" <greengate@gmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]clarification: WTB: Super Record drive side crank arm
>Message-ID: <ea2e86bf0610161255r7d324f5fh3382f83726592865@mail.gmail.com
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 6
>
>The crank arm length I need for a match is 170mm. For cranksets, I
>could safely sway a few mm over or under.
>
>Very sorry for the clutter.
>
>Ryan Hildebrand
>Costa Mesa, Calif.
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: ryan hildebrand <greengate@gmail.com>
>Date: Oct 16, 2006 11:15 AM
>Subject: WTB: Super Record drive side crank arm
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>
>Thanks for all the comments and advice on my crank issue. I'm going to
>attempt to file out the cracks this evening, but I'm feeling pretty
>grim about it.
>
>Does anyone have a spare Super Record drive side crank arm for sale?
>Date code for 1979 would be preferable, but at this point I could live
>with something else. Scratches, etc., are fine as long as the arm is
>structurally sound.
>
>I'd also consider whole SR or NR chainsets (1979-1983 preferred).
>
>Best,
>Ryan Hildebrand
>Costa Mesa, Calif.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------
>
>While cleaning my bike today I noticed some very small marks on my
>1979 Super Record spider:
>
><http://www.flickr.com/photos/90152663@N00/270880179/>
><http://www.flickr.com/photos/90152663@N00/270881016/>
><http://www.flickr.com/photos/90152663@N00/270881014/>
><http://www.flickr.com/photos/90152663@N00/270880178/>
>
>Is this something to worry about? Please advise!
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:00:00 -0700
>From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Next year's Velo Rendezvous 7
>Message-ID: <E7EF3501-F3F1-4A1C-9986-FA795CCA029F@earthlink.net>
>In-Reply-To: <0DECD529-2ED8-47F3-83FF-19761212EDC2@earthlink.net>
>References: <0DECD529-2ED8-47F3-83FF-19761212EDC2@earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flow
ed
>MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2)
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 7
>
>
>On Oct 16, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Here's the details for next year's Velo Rendezvous 7 to be held
>> October 4, 5, 6 & 7, 2007 (week following Las Vegas Interbike show).
>>
>> http://www.velo-retro.com
>>
>> The Special Exhibit will be "COLNAGO: 1954 to 1985, a timeline of
>> bikes."
>
>
>
>There seems to be some confusion as to the theme of VR 7 judging by
>the off list emails I've received... The Special Exhibit, "COLNAGO:
>1954 to 1985, a timeline of bikes" is exactly that, a lineup of
>Colnago bikes from years past. There is no theme to VR 7 other than
>cool vintage lightweight bicycles. Please don't think you can't
>bring some amazing bike just because it's not a Colnago in other words.
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>South Pasadena, Southern California
>United States of America
>www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com>
>To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]1952 R.O. Harrison Catalogues on Ebay
>Message-ID: <20061016200115.14573.qmail@web90506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Precedence: list
>Message: 8
>
>Love the names.
150042347232
Catalogue 1 : 12 page
cat
alogue show
>ing Madison cycle, Continental superbe cycle.Kermesse
cycle, Meteor
cycle
>, Super Circuit cycle, Shortwin frame, Lyta cycle,
Charlton Tourer c
ycle,
> details of standard & extra finishes, Rigide
tandem cycle.
=0
ACatalogu
>e 2 : 4 page
catalogue showing abbreviated details for Road racing c
ycles
> - Lyta,
Super Circuit, Continental. Track & Time Trial Cycles - Ma
dison
>,
Omnium, Meteor, Shortwin. Club Riding - Kermesse, Club, Charleto
n,
>Welded, Lady's Rigide. Tandems - Rigide, Touriste
Don Wilso
n
Los
> Olivos, CA USA
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:13:21 -0700
>From: "cnighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Follow up to Branford Bike Shop fire
>Message-ID: <013c01c6f15f$883fd670$71bffea9@CharlesNighbor>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Precedence: list
>Message: 9
>
>''Thank-you your e-mail and condolences regarding the fire. I am sorry
>that it has taken me so long to reply but it has been quite a transition
>
>for me since the Big Creek fire incinerated Branford Bike, the warehouse
>
>and my home. It is almost impossible to believe that a forest fire could
>
>be so devastating. The only piece of saleable merchandise I have left
>from the shop is a $10.00 NiteRider head lamp that I pulled from a
>retail display the night before the fire. I tucked it in my coat pocket
>and there it stayed when I fled from the 100 foot flames on Sunday
>afternoon. Over the past 2 1/2 months I have begun to accept that I lost
>
>everything and as such, cannot rebuild my old life. There is almost
>nothing left to rebuild it with. So I have accepted my losses and
>started to work on building a new life. It is a daunting task but many
>people have offered support. For that and all the kind emails, yours
>included, that I received after the fire, I am very grateful. Kind words
>
>shared in times of need can and do make a huge difference.
>
>I started creating a new life by burying the ashes from the old one. I
>bid Branford Bike, my business of 30 years adieu when we demolished my
>home in late August. Then we carted away the scrap metal and buried the
>ashes near where the new garage will be built. Over the next month we
>dug a basement, poured a foundation, a concrete floor and a slab for the
>
>new garage. I am building a new home on the same site up in the
>mountains of Montana where the old one was devoured by the ravenous
>flames. I wrote a story and took photos from the day before the fire up
>to last week when we poured the basement floor. I will continue the
>story throughout the winter until I move in next summer. Visit the below
>
>link to read it and see lots of pictures:
>
> http://www.branfordbike.com/
>
>I lost many treasures in the fire and most cannot be replaced. My
>possessions were important to me not because they were valuable like
>gold but because each item was connected to a pleasant memory from my
>past. Books provided me with immense pleasure. Ever since I was very
>young, 5 or so, I spent a lot of time reading books. I remembered most
>of what I read but over the years my memories faded. It was always a
>wonderful experience to pull a previously read book off the shelf, sit
>in a comfortable chair and experience a flood of memories as I reread
>words that I first set my eyes upon many years ago. Most of us can
>remember a favorite book from our childhood and the warm memories that
>book created within us. That is how I felt about most of the books I
>read and owned. Every single book I cherished was destroyed in the fire.
>
>Only fine white ash was left; I could not find even a partially charred
>volume.
>Many people asked what they could do to help so I suggested that they
>donate a used book or two. A few have and those volumes have brought
>much happiness back into my life. Here is a page that has more
>information:
>
>http://www.branfordbike.com/shop/shop07.html
>
>Branford Bike, as we knew it, is gone. I must build a new life and a new
>
>home which fortunately will consume most of my time over the next 6 to
>12 months. Keeping busy will not allow me time to think about the fire.
>It is a memory that I hope fades quickly. However a newer Branford Bike
>may emerge from the ashes like a Phoenix of mythological lore. I put a
>page on the site about the sale of Branford Bike. Here is the link:
>
>http://www.branfordbike.com/shop/shopsale.html
>
>Please pass the link on via e-mail, newsgroups, etc. I would like to see
>
>someone purchase it by the end of the year. Whomever purchases it, I
>will work closely with, to see that they know the business as well as I
>did. It was a fun job, I earned a good income and was able to do
>something I enjoyed. Now I have other work to do so someone else can
>experience the pleasure and satisfaction of Branford Bike.
>
>Thanks again for your e-mail, your words of support and your business
>over the years. All are greatly appreciated.
>
>Best Wishes,
>Tim Brockett
>Branford Bike''
>
>
>A book or two could be sent to above. Was a great KOF Store for years
>>From charles nighbor
>walnut creek, CA
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:18:55 -0700
>From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Peugeot PY10CP on eBay...
>Message-ID: <DFCE7305-3BA5-4261-AFB8-1BD5390BFF4C@earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flow
ed
>MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2)
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 10
>
>Peugeot PY10CP on eBay, extremely rare model and actually unridden
>(I've verified this in person and know the seller very well)...
>
>Item # 220037527502
>
><http://ebay.com/<blah>
>Rare_W0QQitemZ220037527502QQihZ012QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ
>
>1QQcmdZViewItem>
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yg5l2j
>
>...this thirty year old bike was in the most amazing "as found"
>condition that I have ever laid eyes on!
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>South Pasadena, Southern California
>United States of America
>www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:33:22 +0000
>From: freesound@comcast.net
>To: "Bicycle Specialties" <mike@bikespecialties.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Campag Gran Sport and Sport.
>Message-ID: <101620062033.21767.4533EC920004F7CF0000550722007621940B029A
019C0A0A9D00@comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 11
>
>52/48 and 14/24 was exactly the gear set-up on my dear departed '67 Falc
on,
>which came with Gran Sport front and rear.
>
>It worked ok, and less well after I got a Zeus 53/42 put on.
>
>Ken Freeman
>Ann Arbor, MI USA
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Bicycle Specialties" <mike@bikespecialties.com>
>
>> One must remember the era that these derailleurs were introduced and t
he
>
>> ratios used at the time. The Gran Sport worked perfectly well, and
>> better than almost any other racing derailleur of the period, when use
d
>
>> with 52/48 and 14-24 (5 speed) which was almost universally used at th
e
>
>> time.
>> The Sport derailleur was designed for use on city bikes with a three
>> speed freewheel of 16-19-22 or a four speed 15-23. It worked perfectly
>
>> well with these ratios and it is still possible to see them in everyda
y
>
>> use in Italy fifty years after they were made.
>> Mike Barry.
>> In sunny Toronto.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:35:55 -0400
>From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>
>To: Nathan Aschbacher <nathan.aschbacher@gmail.com>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Can't Identify this bike
>Message-ID: <4533ED2B.20601@optonline.net>
>In-Reply-To: <78F1EB84-9187-4148-83CA-AAFBD236113B@gmail.com>
>References: <78F1EB84-9187-4148-83CA-AAFBD236113B@gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
>Precedence: list
>Message: 12
>
>That is a Mexican made Windsor, circa 1978. It is actually a lower
>model with straight guage tubing.
>
>Joe Bender-Zanoni
>Great Notch, NJ
>
>Nathan Aschbacher wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm new to the list.
>>
>> I recently purchased a beautiful vintage road bike, but I'm totally
>> uncertain of its era or make.
>>
>> Here's a link to some pictures of the bike (built up with modern
>> parts) and the original fork (not used because of a switch to 700c
>> wheels):
>>
>> http://www.cellsixtyone.com/
>>
>> Here's everything I know about it:
>>
>> 1) Previous owner suspected it was a Cinelli, hence the stickers, but
>> I'm highly doubtful.
>> 2) Originally had 27" wheels.
>> 3)Suntour dropouts.
>> 4) Fork has a slight slope to the crown.
>> 5) On the non-drive side of the bike just below the seat cluster
>> appears to be the serial number stamped into the seattube lengthwise.
>> 6) The lug-style looks similar but not identical to a 60's era Masi
>> Special.
>> 7) It's been repainted (badly).
>> 8) No braze-on's
>> 9) I believe it is Italian, but I'm not certain.
>>
>> Anyone have any clues or ideas? I've dug round oldroads.com and
>> wooljersey.com a bit, as well as the pictures section of this site,
>> but nothing conclusive.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Nathan Aschbacher
>> Spokane, WA
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> --No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date:
>> 10/14/2006
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:47:12 +0000
>From: "neil foddering" <neilfoddering@hotmail.com>
>To: dcwilson3@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: RE: [CR]1952 R.O. Harrison Catalogues on Ebay
>Message-ID: <BAY115-F361F9AE93B1551B4ABB8C8BF090@phx.gbl>
>In-Reply-To: <20061016200115.14573.qmail@web90506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Precedence: list
>Message: 13
>
>
>
>I have a 1939 R O Harrison Continental (forerunner of the Continental
>Superbe) with Osgear ends. It's away for re-enamelling and chroming at
the
>
>moment - the old re-spray was just too far gone - but you can see
>pre-restoration pics at:
>
>http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v396/hadendowa/R%20O%20Harrison%20Cont
inental/
>
>I also have two other R O H models, dating to 1946 and 1948, but as yet,
>I
>haven't pinned down the exact models.
>
>As V-CC R O Harrison Marque Enthusiast, I'll be bidding on these catalog
ues,
>
>in the hope of adding them to my reference archive.
>
>If any of you owns an ROH, and hasn't yet contacted me, please do so!
>
>Neil Foddering
>Weymouth, Dorset, England
>
>
>
>
>>From: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com>
>>To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>Subject: [CR]1952 R.O. Harrison Catalogues on Ebay
>>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Love the names.
150042347232
Catalogue 1 : 12 page
ca
talogue
show
>>ing Madison cycle, Continental superbe cycle.Kermesse
cycle, Meteor
cycle
>>, Super Circuit cycle, Shortwin frame, Lyta cycle,
Charlton Tourer
cycle,
>> details of standard & extra finishes, Rigide
tandem
>>cycle.
Catalogu
>>e 2 : 4 page
catalogue showing abbreviated details for Road racing
cycles
>> - Lyta,
Super Circuit, Continental. Track & Time Trial Cycles -
>>Madison
>>,
Omnium, Meteor, Shortwin. Club Riding - Kermesse, Club, Charlet
on,
>>Welded, Lady's Rigide. Tandems - Rigide, Touriste
Don Wils
on
Los
>> Olivos, CA USA
>>_______________________________________________
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:04:11 -0700
>From: Nathan Aschbacher <nathan.aschbacher@gmail.com>
>To: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Can't Identify this bike
>Message-ID: <970CCF37-7BD7-401C-9935-45737E3D90D4@gmail.com>
>In-Reply-To: <4533ED2B.20601@optonline.net>
>References: <78F1EB84-9187-4148-83CA-AAFBD236113B@gmail.com>
> <4533ED2B.20601@optonline.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flow
ed
>MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3)
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 14
>
>Thanks Joe!
>
>I have to admit I'm disappointed. I paid $388 for it, and I feel a
>bit ripped off. When I picked up the bike from a guy in Seattle I
>got the feeling he somehow knew it wasn't a Cinelli, despite his
>claim that he wasn't sure.
>
>It rides great, and is incredibly stiff laterally, but very
>comfortable vertically. Though knowing that it's not a vintage
>italian bike I'm not going to bother having it repainted. I'll get
>some vintage Windsor decals for it and decide what to do from there.
>
>Seeing as how I can get a nice Serotta cross bike for just over $500
>used, this Windsor seems like it was a bad value.
>
>Cheers!
>Nathan Aschbacher
>Spokane, WA
>
>On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Joseph Bender-Zanoni wrote:
>
>> That is a Mexican made Windsor, circa 1978. It is actually a lower
>> model with straight guage tubing.
>>
>> Joe Bender-Zanoni
>> Great Notch, NJ
>>
>> Nathan Aschbacher wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list.
>>>
>>> I recently purchased a beautiful vintage road bike, but I'm
>>> totally uncertain of its era or make.
>>>
>>> Here's a link to some pictures of the bike (built up with modern
>>> parts) and the original fork (not used because of a switch to 700c
>>> wheels):
>>>
>>> http://www.cellsixtyone.com/
>>>
>>> Here's everything I know about it:
>>>
>>> 1) Previous owner suspected it was a Cinelli, hence the stickers,
>>> but I'm highly doubtful.
>>> 2) Originally had 27" wheels.
>>> 3)Suntour dropouts.
>>> 4) Fork has a slight slope to the crown.
>>> 5) On the non-drive side of the bike just below the seat cluster
>>> appears to be the serial number stamped into the seattube lengthwise.
>>> 6) The lug-style looks similar but not identical to a 60's era
>>> Masi Special.
>>> 7) It's been repainted (badly).
>>> 8) No braze-on's
>>> 9) I believe it is Italian, but I'm not certain.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any clues or ideas? I've dug round oldroads.com and
>>> wooljersey.com a bit, as well as the pictures section of this
>>> site, but nothing conclusive.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Nathan Aschbacher
>>> Spokane, WA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> --No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date:
>>> 10/14/2006
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:17:41 EDT
>From: Hughethornton@aol.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]More Viking
>Message-ID: <4a9.36274991.326550f5@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 15
>
>A while ago I purchased a Viking frame that I am trying to identify. I
t
>
>looks like a Severn Valley but is heavier than you would expect of a 531
> butted
>frame and appears to be straight gauge tubing because of its smaller sea
t
>
>post size. Apart from that, it has Nervex professional lugs and the sam
e
> seat
>stay treatment as a Severn Valley. It has a bridge for rear center-pul
l
>
>brakes and the dropouts are Cyclo -- these are stamped dropouts with th
e
>later
>type gear hanger that would take Campagnolo gears, Benelux sixty whatev
er
>and
>similar -- basically the shape designed by Campagnolo in about 1950 tha
t
>became
>the standard we have now.
>
>I would appreciate any information as to what this frame might be. My
guess
>
>is either that Viking cheapened the Severn Valley by using cheaper tubin
g
> or
>that it is a model or two down the range (but not too far down because o
f
>the
> lugs). And it has the fork lamp boss that I dislike, but that appears
to
>
>be prized by so many others.
>
>By the way, did 531 plain gauge and 531 butted tubesets have the same fo
rk
>
>blades and stays? It has been said that the forks and stays were not b
utted
>
>although the tubing decal was designed to give the impression that they
>were.
>
>Hugh Thornton
>Cheshire, England
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:36:45 -0400
>From: Phil Sieg <triodelover@comcast.net>
>To: Hughethornton@aol.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]More Viking
>Message-ID: <4533FB6D.6040709@comcast.net>
>In-Reply-To: <4a9.36274991.326550f5@aol.com>
>References: <4a9.36274991.326550f5@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Precedence: list
>Message: 16
>
>Hugh,
>
>I picked up a similar sounding frame last year. I wrote the VC-C's
>Viking marque enthusiast, Tom Jeffrey, to try and get some help in
>identifying the frame.
>
>The lugs on my frame are Prugnat 62Bis, but the other aspects are
>identical. According to Mr Jeffrey, my frame dates to the mid-'60s.
>There were two models in the catalogue that fit the description. One,
>the Conquest, was carbon steel tubing ("gas pipe"). The other, the
>Mileater, was plain gauge 531. One could tell the difference by
>weighing the frame and fork with headset installed (a TD Cross) but
>without a BB, according to Mr Jeffrey again. The Mileater will come in
>around 6 lbs, 14 oz; the Conquest about a pound heavier. mine is a
>Mileater (Nick at Lloyd's has all the transfers, including the model
>name for the TT).
>
>An interesting aspect of my frame is that the lamp boss on the fork is
>on the left blade, indicating that it was made for export. There are no
>
>shifter bosses, but there are both TT and BB cable guides and pump
>pegs. I can send some pics off list if it would help.
>
>Phil Sieg
>Knoxville, Tennessee
>USA
>
>Hughethornton@aol.com wrote:
>> A while ago I purchased a Viking frame that I am trying to identify.
>It
>> looks like a Severn Valley but is heavier than you would expect of a 5
31
> butted
>> frame and appears to be straight gauge tubing because of its smaller s
eat
>
>> post size. Apart from that, it has Nervex professional lugs and the s
ame
> seat
>> stay treatment as a Severn Valley. It has a bridge for rear center-p
ull
>
>> brakes and the dropouts are Cyclo -- these are stamped dropouts with
the
>later
>> type gear hanger that would take Campagnolo gears, Benelux sixty what
ever
>and
>> similar -- basically the shape designed by Campagnolo in about 1950 t
hat
>became
>> the standard we have now.
>>
>> I would appreciate any information as to what this frame might be. My
> guess
>> is either that Viking cheapened the Severn Valley by using cheaper tub
ing
> or
>> that it is a model or two down the range (but not too far down because
>of the
>> lugs). And it has the fork lamp boss that I dislike, but that appear
s
>to
>> be prized by so many others.
>>
>> By the way, did 531 plain gauge and 531 butted tubesets have the same
fork
>
>> blades and stays? It has been said that the forks and stays were not
>butted
>> although the tubing decal was designed to give the impression that the
y
> were.
>>
>> Hugh Thornton
>> Cheshire, England
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>
>End of Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 46, Issue 58
>*************************************************
___________________________________________________________
Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/