Bob, What size bikes are your bikes?
I have a number of similar bikes (Raleigh international, supercourse, Zeus, PX-10, PXN-10, and most have marginal (if any) clearance as it is, and would have trouble with fenders.
I am short, my bikes are in the 49 - 54cm range, or 19" to 21". I suspect that if these were larger bikes, this issue would go away.
So I also ask, what was the size of the rivendell you are talking of?
Finally, a funny one is one of my Zeus bikes (I can send you a picture if you want). It is a short bike, 49cm I would guess. I think they wanted to assure clearance (which it barely has) and gave it a very shallow head tube angle. The net effect is that the bike has very funky handling characteristics, as it becomes I guess what is now called a "long trail" bike. It is very fine and stable at speeds, but at slow speeds, it behaves almost as if it were unstable. Once used to it, it is fine, but strange feeling at first. And you know how you can hold a saddle and lead a bike along? Not with this one, the front end will just come around. So, in order to give it the clearance, they made rather funky handling characteristics.
Just my two cents (centimes, pence, pesetas ...) Dan Kasha Seattle, Wa
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