I have a set Delta calipers, that I purchased w/out levers. Would I be better off using the Athena levers (same time frame) that allow aero or non-aero cable routing, or just using a set of SR non-aero levers? I am a heavy (100 kgs) rider, and I like to descend in a rather brisk manner, so my deceleration capacity is something I don't take lightly! Any help would be appreciated.
Larry Myers Portland, OR curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com
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1. Re: National Teams (Jan Heine) 2. Re: Dimpled rims? (Sheldon Brown) 3. New additions to my wooljersey albums (Peter Brown) 4. SoCal Baldy Ride--last call 5. Re: was, Dimpled, now Why are concaves execrable? 6. Re: was, Dimpled, now Why are concaves execrable? (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos) 7. Ken Ryall and Pete 8. Re: was, Dimpled, now Why are concaves execrable? (Joseph Bender-Zanoni) 9. FS: NOS Ideale Swallow Saddle (Eric Elman) 10. FS: Molteni Spring Trainer size L (ttruong2) 11. Re: was, Dimpled, now Why are concaves execrable? (Sheldon Brown) 12. COLNAGO (2) MARKET HIGH (Martin Walsh) 13. Re: SoCal Baldy Ride--last call (brianbaylis@juno.com) 14. Weinmann Concave Rims (Fred Rafael Rednor)
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:33:53 -0800 From: Jan Heine To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]National Teams Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01e401c704ec$60a3f7e0$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <01e401c704ec$60a3f7e0$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
Steve Maaslands wrote:
>According to what is considered the definitive Italian period text about
>cycling sport and history: "Storia del Velocipede e dello Sport
>Ciclistico" (1946) the Italian federation paid for the Italian team
>participation of professionals in the World Championships and Tour de
>France, as well as amateur national team members participating in the
>Tour de France. They also supplied and paid the Direttore Sportivo,
>mechanics and soigneurs. Let us not forget that on-the-road repairs were
>to be supplied solely by the riders.
Again, I don't see a contradiction. I am sure some of the costs, especially travel and such, were paid by Federations and others. But that still leaves a lot of costs - just ask any race organizer in the U.S., whose racers all pay their own ways.
For example, you have the yellow bikes. They didn't carry advertising, so I assume Desgrange paid for them. In later years, the Tour provided mechanics for all the teams who did not bring their own (and even in the 1950s, riders had their choice of bringing their bike or getting one from the organizers. For exmaple, the King of the Mountains in 1953 used a yellow bike.) You have to transport all the equipment, etc. In the 1950s and 1960s, the Tour had an entire fleet of cars that were provided to the national teams.
The consensus of the French press is that the advertising caravan
offset the added costs incurred by the support required for national
teams. It could be, of course, that Desgrange just was looking for a
justification to commercialize the Tour, and said: "Well, we have to,
to pay for our cost," when there were none.
>It would be interesting to know who paid for the regional French teams.
Does anybody know? -- Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.bikequarterly.com ------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:15:24 -0500 From: Sheldon Brown To: theonetrueBob@webtv.net (Bob Hanson), classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Dimpled rims? Message-ID:
In-Reply-To: <10363-4554315C-2836@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net> References: <10363-4554315C-2836@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2
Bob Hanson wrote:
>The following linked jpeg is from a recently ended auction [not mine].
>These are a pair of Weimann alloy rims.
>
>http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/ca/08/30_1.JPG
>
Back in the '70s, there were two major Weinmann models, the 210 and
256. One of those was the deluxe dimpled version, the other was a
simple extrusion. (The execrable concave rims came and went later.)
These were THE hot clincher rims in the Bike Boom era.
I can never remember which model number was which though.
The dimpled rims had 4-way aimed spoke holes. Each spoke hole was not only aimed left/right, but also clockwise/counterclockwise, so the nipple was right in line with the spoke.
The legendary Dunlop Special Lightweight rims also had this feature, as do many better quality BMX rims.
Sheldon "4-Way" Brown +----------------------------------------+ | I never did a day's work in my life; | | it was all fun. --Thomas Edison | +----------------------------------------+ -- Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com Useful articles about bicycles and cycling http://sheldonbrown.com ------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:23:41 -0000 From: "Peter Brown"
To: Subject: [CR]New additions to my wooljersey albums Message-ID: <005c01c7050e$82edc4d0$89ca6851@nonefpfvwek4mv> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
I have added 3 more chunks of restored classic British steel to my collection this week, and have added photographs of them at wooljersey. They are:
A 1955 Pennine (Whitaker and Mapplebeck) Grand Prix (or is it Grand Primo)
To be found at http://www.wooljersey.com/
A 1948 Gillott tapertube at
http://www.wooljersey.com/
And a 1955 Langsett Professional as used by 55 Tour of Britain winner Tony Hewson
At http://www.wooljersey.com/
As usual, I shall be pleased to have any more information anyone can add.
Peter Brown, Lincolnshire, England
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:29:36 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: chasds@mindspring.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]SoCal Baldy Ride--last call Message-ID: <29591452.1163194176329.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chasds@mindspring.com Message: 4
We'll ride up to Baldy Village tomorrow.
Meet at 9:30am, for departure at 10am, at Pioneer Park on the corner of Dalton and Sierra Madre in Azusa.
Riders are expected to take their own pace. Fast riders need not wait for us slow-pokes. We will meet for lunch in the area around Pomona College in Claremont. We'll clarify this before departure.
This is a challenging ride, but not impossible by any means. Just bring water, energy bars, and lots of patience. And it should be a beautiful, mild day tomorrow... make this ride if you possibly can..and that means all you SoCal CR members who haven't come to a ride yet!
We have about 10 riders so far, including:
Brian Baylis Chris Kostman Sterling Peters Chuck Schmidt Matt Gorski Davis Jensen... and others
See you there!
Charles Andrews SoCal ------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:05:55 +0000 From: freesound@comcast.net To: Sheldon Brown , theonetrueBob@webtv.net (Bob Hanson), classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] was, Dimpled, now Why are concaves execrable? Message-ID: <111020062205.3237.4554F7C3000546FE00000CA522028887440B029A019C0A0A9D00@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Ok, Sheldon, just curious, but what was so bad about the concaves? I never had a set of my own, but I have a loaner bike from a bud right now, and it seems ok with concave clinchers. Spokes are not as tight as on some vintage tubie wheels I have, but ... ? I always thought they looked cool in stores, back in the day.
Ken Freeman
Ann Arbor, MI USA
> Bob Hanson wrote:
> >The following linked jpeg is from a recently ended auction [not mine].
> >These are a pair of Weimann alloy rims.
> >
> >http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/ca/08/30_1.JPG
> >
> Back in the '70s, there were two major Weinmann models, the 210 and
> 256. One of those was the deluxe dimpled version, the other was a
> simple extrusion. (The execrable concave rims came and went later.)
>
> These were THE hot clincher rims in the Bike Boom era.
>
> I can never remember which model number was which though.
>
> The dimpled rims had 4-way aimed spoke holes. Each spoke hole was
> not only aimed left/right, but also clockwise/counterclockwise, so
> the nipple was right in line with the spoke.
>
> The legendary Dunlop Special Lightweight rims also had this feature,
> as do many better quality BMX rims.
>
> Sheldon "4-Way" Brown
> +----------------------------------------+
> | I never did a day's work in my life; |
> | it was all fun. --Thomas Edison |
> +----------------------------------------+
> --
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> http://captainbike.com
> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> http://sheldonbrown.com
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:22:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos To: freesound@comcast.net, Sheldon Brown , Bob Hanson , classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] was, Dimpled, now Why are concaves execrable? Message-ID: <20061110222215.44286.qmail@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <111020062205.3237.4554F7C3000546FE00000CA522028887440B029A019C0A0A9D00@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6
I'd like to know also. I have at least one pair built up. Haven't put huge mileage on them, but haven't had any problems. Was the problem in riding them, or were they just difficult to build?
Regards,
Jerry Moos
Big Spring, West Texas
freesound@comcast.net wrote: Ok, Sheldon, just curious, but what was so bad about the concaves? I never had a set of my own, but I have a loaner bike from a bud right now, and it seems ok with concave clinchers. Spokes are not as tight as on some vintage tubie wheels I have, but ... ? I always thought they looked cool in stores, back in the day.
Ken Freeman
Ann Arbor, MI USA
> Bob Hanson wrote:
> >The following linked jpeg is from a recently ended auction [not mine].
> >These are a pair of Weimann alloy rims.
> >
> >http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/ca/08/30_1.JPG
> >
> Back in the '70s, there were two major Weinmann models, the 210 and
> 256. One of those was the deluxe dimpled version, the other was a
> simple extrusion. (The execrable concave rims came and went later.)
>
> These were THE hot clincher rims in the Bike Boom era.
>
> I can never remember which model number was which though.
>
> The dimpled rims had 4-way aimed spoke holes. Each spoke hole was
> not only aimed left/right, but also clockwise/counterclockwise, so
> the nipple was right in line with the spoke.
>
> The legendary Dunlop Special Lightweight rims also had this feature,
> as do many better quality BMX rims.
>
> Sheldon "4-Way" Brown
> +----------------------------------------+
> | I never did a day's work in my life; |
> | it was all fun. --Thomas Edison |
> +----------------------------------------+
> --
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> http://captainbike.com
> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> http://sheldonbrown.com
> _______________________________________________
_______________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:23:01 +0000 From: To: Subject: [CR]Ken Ryall and Pete Message-ID: <20061110222308.ULBZ644.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
Ken Ryall had a shop in near Twickenham West London for many years. In the 50s/60s he imported Raxar clothing from Belgium. My late club mate Bill Bradley was supplied with free shorts with the brand on the leg. As an amateur Bill was obliged to amend this to RA AR. Needless to say every potential customer could identify the brand so Ken was happy. Ken was the driver of the team car when Tom Simpson died on Ventoux. Alex Taylor, the manager and Harry Hall the mechanic were also in the car. Yesterday at the Pedal Club luncheon I was sat next to Doug Collins a member of the Twickenham CC for nearly sixty years. Doug could have given me chapter and verse on Ken Ryall, maybe next time. Pete Ryall was no relation as he was from "up north", Yorkshire, I think. Great Britain (and Ireland) had a team of twelve in the 1961 Tour and most, including Pete Ryall, were out of their depth and abandoned or missed the time limit in the first few days. Ray Green, Brighton, England
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:43:51 -0500 From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: Sheldon Brown Subject: Re: [CR] was, Dimpled, now Why are concaves execrable? Message-ID: <455500A7.3080805@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <20061110222215.44286.qmail@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061110222215.44286.qmail@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 8
I'll chime in with some guesses why Sheldon declares these "exacrable". The first is that they are heavy. If you want a heavy strong rim, use a Mod. 58. The second is that for all the weight, the alloy is a bit soft and they are not all that strong. No eyelets. Difficult to seat tires and potential to blow off tires because of concave inner surface causing rim strip to interfere with tire bead . A very inelegant rim in my opinion.
Joe Bender-Zanoni Great Notch, NJ
Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
> I'd like to know also. I have at least one pair built up. Haven't put huge mileage on them, but haven't had any problems. Was the problem in riding them, or were they just difficult to build?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> Big Spring, West Texas
>
> freesound@comcast.net wrote:
> Ok, Sheldon, just curious, but what was so bad about the concaves? I never had a set of my own, but I have a loaner bike from a bud right now, and it seems ok with concave clinchers. Spokes are not as tight as on some vintage tubie wheels I have, but ... ? I always thought they looked cool in stores, back in the day.
>
> Ken Freeman
> Ann Arbor, MI USA
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Sheldon Brown
>
>
>> Bob Hanson wrote:
>>
>>> The following linked jpeg is from a recently ended auction [not mine].
>>> These are a pair of Weimann alloy rims.
>>>
>>> http://i22.ebayimg.com/
>>>
>>>
>> Back in the '70s, there were two major Weinmann models, the 210 and
>> 256. One of those was the deluxe dimpled version, the other was a
>> simple extrusion. (The execrable concave rims came and went later.)
>>
>> These were THE hot clincher rims in the Bike Boom era.
>>
>> I can never remember which model number was which though.
>>
>> The dimpled rims had 4-way aimed spoke holes. Each spoke hole was
>> not only aimed left/right, but also clockwise/counterclockwise, so
>> the nipple was right in line with the spoke.
>>
>> The legendary Dunlop Special Lightweight rims also had this feature,
>> as do many better quality BMX rims.
>>
>> Sheldon "4-Way" Brown
>> +----------------------------------------+
>> | I never did a day's work in my life; |
>> | it was all fun. --Thomas Edison |
>> +----------------------------------------+
>> --
>> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
>> Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
>> http://harriscyclery.com
>> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
>> http://captainbike.com
>> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
>> http://sheldonbrown.com
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:23:36 -0500 From: "Eric Elman" To: Subject: [CR]FS: NOS Ideale Swallow Saddle Message-ID: <001301c7051f$3f75ac70$7f35c048@ownerejujeippx> References: <001901c7046a$89829770$7f35c048@ownerejujeippx> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
NOS Ideale Swallow (proper name is the Ideale 80 Criterium), natural color, chromed steel rails. I purchased this in a moment of ebay "buy it now" fever and really prefer the Brooks Swallow under my tush. Item is just as pictured in the ebay auction; still NOS, still not mounted, etc. The seller had 3 more which sold for $299.-, $306.-, $310.- I paid $245 plus $45 for insured shipping. Will sell for $260.- shipped anywhere in the Conti US, or 260.- plus actual shipping anywhere else.
ebay item # 140039423438
Paypal preferred, check or MO ok too.
Eric Elman Somers, CT USA
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:00:27 -0800 From: "ttruong2"
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