[CR]Re: Lygie bikes...where are they made?, and more swag for sale...

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:58:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "Larry Myers" <curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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Subject: [CR]Re: Lygie bikes...where are they made?, and more swag for sale...

I've been puzzling over a little mystery...the CR Classic Italian Gallery states that the Lygie bikes were made in Italy, and the Lygie bikes that I have worked on were all Italian threaded. BUT- I own a couple of Lygie headbadges that very clearly say: "Cycles Lygie, 39049, Marque Depose, St. Ettiene". St. Ettiene is a city with a long, long involvement in the French cycle industry, so I am a bit curious about this. Can anyone out there shed some light on this for me? Also, I have for sale to list members, about 10 pairs of of NOS 'ALE' pump clips- the ones that look like little chrome clothespins. They are complete w/ leather frame pads-$15/ pair, plus postage, & 1 set of NOS Universal "Extra" sidepull calipers, w/original pads, $45 plus postage. I am also doing an inventory of my Campy GS/NR/SR stuff and will be posting this to list members first, in the next two weeks or so. Let me know about specific needs, or stuff you want to trade! (still need a 58cm track frame...)

Thanks to all... Larry Myers, Portlandwhereitrainsallthetime, Oregon, USA curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Stronglight Drillium Chainwheel: Model ID needed (Hilary Stone) 2. RE ID Stronglight Crankset (Bob Hanson) 3. RE: To Restore or Not to Restore (Watts, Gary J (Vancouver, WA USA)) 4. Re: To Restore or Not to Restore (Raymond Dobbins) 5. Old-style shoes (David Bean) 6. cleats (Steven Willis) 7. Some great photos of bikes in the Canberra Bicycle Museum (Tam Pham) 8. RE: To Restore or Not to Restore (Derek Willburn) 9. Stronglight 99 Crankset (Bob Hanson) 10. Re: Stronglight Drillium Chainwheel: Model ID needed (John Thompson)

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:31:11 +0000 From: Hilary Stone To: Steven Willis Cc: Classic Rendezvous Subject: Re: [CR]Stronglight Drillium Chainwheel: Model ID needed Message-ID: <455CA05F.9030904@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <007601c7098d$e57d6eb0$2c01a8c0@bike1> References: <20061116140353.58319.qmail@web90505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007601c7098d$e57d6eb0$2c01a8c0@bike1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 1

I have an almost complete NOS triple 99 chainset drilled like that on Ebay at present see 13004807372 – only the LH crank has been used, the rest is NOS.

Hilary Stone, Bristol, England

Steven Willis wrote:
> I think it was called a 105 and was not their upper end one if my memory
> serves me at all.
> Steven Willis
> The Bike Stand
> 1778 East Second Street
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> 908-322-3330
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wilson"
> To: "Classic Rendezvous"
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:03 AM
> Subject: [CR]Stronglight Drillium Chainwheel: Model ID needed
>
>
>> Ebay has a drilled, Stronglight chainwheel/crank. What
>> modele would you say it is? 49? Could be very tough to
>> find chain wheels for unless you're very good with a
>> drill press. :-)
>> 220049757686
>>
>> Don Wilson
>> Los Olivos, CA USA
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>> D.C. Wilson dcwilson3@yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:33:49 -0700 From: theonetrueBob@webtv.net (Bob Hanson) To: dcwilson3@yahoo.com, smwillis@verizon.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE [CR] ID Stronglight Crankset Message-ID: <8142-455CA0FD-3338@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 2

---------------------------------- Don Wilson had inquired about the Stronglight crankset model on current eBay auction #220049757686

http://ebay.com/<blah> ----------------------------------

Don,

That's a model "99 BIS" NM [nouveau modele] from the early 80s. Smallest chainring went down to 28t and up to 54t for the largest. It was a less expensive model, intended for easing climbs for the recreational rider, but could also be used as a double crankset. This model was only available in 170 mm length arms. Outer bolt holes on larger rings allowed a chain protector ring to be added if required. Also was available without perforated rings as simply "mod. 99".

The model "105" ("105 BIS" with drilled rings) was the double crankset with a "Star" spyder similar to the earlier model 93 "star". 37-56t (122 BCD)

Model "104" looked more modern - like Nuovo Record, but with 38- 53t (122 BCD)

Model 106 looked like a Campy Super Record, complete with cut-out webs on the outer chainrings 42-56t (144 BCD).

The 106 was their top pro-style model in the early 80s and weighed over 100 grams less than the double chainring version of the Mod 99 set now at auction... in spite of the drillium rings.

Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:54:54 -0600 From: "Watts, Gary J (Vancouver, WA USA)" To: Subject: RE: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore Message-ID: <8E538912BF637740BA7EFEC3FA2BE341A847BB@G3W0069.americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3

I'd think it really depends on what YOU intend to do with it. We all feel some amount of responsibility to maintain the authenticity of the bike but at some point, reality has to come to bear. If you want a mint version either hang on your wall or ride, then restoration is probably in order. You can certainly ride it as is! Patina isn't a binary situation, just phases of "change":-)

There are certainly specific marques and vintages (Masi & Cinelli certainly come to mind) that may well have greater value in time because they are original. That may be many years though.

I have a good friend that has an original Cinelli track bike like yours, original paint but was ridden quite a bit. He bought it nearly new and has kept the paint original out of belief that it's overall value is higher as original.

Gary Watts Vancouver, WA USA

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of JEFFERY Pyzyk Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:30 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore

This topic has probably been hashed around on the list more than Blond Lebanese in Madison during the late '60's. However, given some of the recent E-bay prices for unrestored "rats", I think the topic can safely be revisited.

I've got a late 60's/early 70's Cinelli SC with original decals and what's left of the original silver paint. It is an early drilled lug frame with the old-style long campy dropouts, and also still has the fender eyelets. It is ratty as hell. "Patina" is not a word that comes to mind. The paint is worn through all over the place with some pitting of chrome in the usual areas under the lugs. Looking at it, you would say that it obviously needs to be stripped, re-chromed, and re-painted.

However, it is authentic! Decals and color bands, lettering, and the Columbus SL decals are honest and original.

After seeing what one old battle worn Cinelli recently sold for on E-bay, I have some doubts that a restored bike would be any more valuable than a ratty original one. Like most of you, I'm in this for love and not for money, so the decision is not really based on economics.

My personal preference is for my bikes to look as near to new as possible. It's probably from some Freudian anal retentive stage I never got through or something, I don't know. However, in this case, I have some trepidation

about restoration.

Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:56:22 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Dobbins To: JEFFERY Pyzyk , classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore Message-ID: <286140.86102.qm@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 4

Hi Jeff,

There are ratty bikes, and there are ratty bikes with appeal. Why don't you link us to a couple of pics of your Cinelli so we can give you our specific opinions about your bike, rather than just our general opinions on the subject of whether to restore or not. It'll be more fun for us and more useful to you - a win-win situation!

Go ahead, get the camera, we'll wait :)

Ray Dobbins Miami Fla USA

JEFFERY Pyzyk wrote: This topic has probably been hashed around on the list more than Blond Lebanese in Madison during the late '60's. However, given some of the recent E-bay prices for unrestored "rats", I think the topic can safely be revisited.

I've got a late 60's/early 70's Cinelli SC with original decals and what's left of the original silver paint. It is an early drilled lug frame with the old-style long campy dropouts, and also still has the fender eyelets. It is ratty as hell. "Patina" is not a word that comes to mind. The paint is worn through all over the place with some pitting of chrome in the usual areas under the lugs. Looking at it, you would say that it obviously needs to be stripped, re-chromed, and re-painted.

However, it is authentic! Decals and color bands, lettering, and the Columbus SL decals are honest and original.

After seeing what one old battle worn Cinelli recently sold for on E-bay, I have some doubts that a restored bike would be any more valuable than a ratty original one. Like most of you, I'm in this for love and not for money, so the decision is not really based on economics.

My personal preference is for my bikes to look as near to new as possible. It's probably from some Freudian anal retentive stage I never got through or something, I don't know. However, in this case, I have some trepidation about restoration.

Jeff Pyzyk Milwaukee, WI

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:23:14 -0500 From: "David Bean" To: "Classic Rendezvous (E-mail)" Subject: [CR]Old-style shoes Message-ID: <002001c709ac$48a97b00$8f7ba8c0@dkbwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: beandk@rcn.com Message: 5

The Diadora Voyager modification for laces looks good, but they don't seem to make 'em anymore. For people with smaller feet than mine, Nashbar has another Diadora shoe that looks ok: Try Nashbar's model XX-YS2261 Diadora 2261

David Bean Arlington, MA ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:23:52 -0500 From: "Steven Willis" To: Subject: [CR]cleats Message-ID: <011201c709ac$6025bfa0$2c01a8c0@bike1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6

whowas looking for a set of cleats that work with quill pedals and also mount on to the three bolt look pattern. Steven Willis The Bike Stand 1778 East Second Street Scotch Plains NJ 07076 908-322-3330 http://www.thebikestand.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:05:43 -0800 From: "Tam Pham" To: "List CR" Subject: [CR]Some great photos of bikes in the Canberra Bicycle Museum Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

If you're like me and appreciate all sorts of vintage bikes (especially early 1900s stuff), this photo-thread should be a real treat.

Link: http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=78475

Cheers from Huntington Beach, CA - USA Tam Pham

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:16:25 -0800 (PST) From: Derek Willburn To: VintageBikes Subject: RE: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore Message-ID: <20061116191625.57913.qmail@web32010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <8E538912BF637740BA7EFEC3FA2BE341A847BB@G3W0069.americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 8

My two Lira: If you would enjoy riding it more if it looked better then I would repaint. Re-chroming may not be a good idea but a quality painter/restorer like Joe Bell can evaluate that for you. Also, a quality job from someone like Joe will run you approx $400-$600 and more if re-chroming -worth it for a quality frame. If originality is important then you may want to sell it as is and find another with better original paint if you would ride it more -may take a while to find your size again though. Derek Willburn Long Beach, CA USA
>
> This topic has probably been hashed around on the
> list more than Blond
> Lebanese in Madison during the late '60's. However,
> given some of the
> recent E-bay prices for unrestored "rats", I think
> the topic can safely
> be
> revisited.
>
> I've got a late 60's/early 70's Cinelli SC with
> original decals and
> what's
> left of the original silver paint. It is an early
> drilled lug frame
> with
> the old-style long campy dropouts, and also still
> has the fender
> eyelets.
> It is ratty as hell. "Patina" is not a word that
> comes to mind. The
> paint is
> worn through all over the place with some pitting
> of chrome in the
> usual
> areas under the lugs. Looking at it, you would say
> that it obviously
> needs
> to be stripped, re-chromed, and re-painted.
>
> However, it is authentic! Decals and color bands,
> lettering, and the
> Columbus SL decals are honest and original.
>
> After seeing what one old battle worn Cinelli
> recently sold for on
> E-bay, I
> have some doubts that a restored bike would be any
> more valuable than a
> ratty original one. Like most of you, I'm in this
> for love and not for
> money, so the decision is not really based on
> economics.
>
> My personal preference is for my bikes to look as
> near to new as
> possible.
> It's probably from some Freudian anal retentive
> stage I never got
> through or
> something, I don't know. However, in this case, I
> have some trepidation
>
> about restoration.
>
> Jeff Pyzyk
> Milwaukee, WI
>
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:16:35 -0700 From: theonetrueBob@webtv.net (Bob Hanson) To: smwillis@verizon.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Stronglight 99 Crankset Message-ID: <8143-455CB913-2152@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 9

Steven Willis is correct. The one in the photo he offered is a model 99:

http://homepage3.nifty.com/ClassicBicycles/brands/components/Stronglight99.jpg

However... this was one of the earliest ones offered. It featured both smooth polished spyder arms AND crank arms looking very similar to the model 93 (which tapered straight and wide all the way around the crank axle holes).

Later 70s versions were also polished but the arms were modified. They became narrower for most of the length, the long central flute was narrowed, and they less resembled the mod. 93 arms.

Then the early 80s version, like that currently at auction, had the (ugly) square recesses forged into those short spyder arms.

The final variation was also anodized. It featured the "Saint Etienne crest" with the letter "S" on it -- in place of the name Stronglight actually spelled out. And eventually (finally!) they had even adopted modern 22mm dustcover/extractor threads.

Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:49:40 -0600 From: John Thompson To: Don Wilson Cc: Classic Rendezvous Subject: Re: [CR]Stronglight Drillium Chainwheel: Model ID needed Message-ID: <455CC0D4.9070200@new.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <20061116140353.58319.qmail@web90505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061116140353.58319.qmail@web90505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: john@os2.dhs.org Message: 10

Don Wilson wrote:
> Ebay has a drilled, Stronglight chainwheel/crank. What
> modele would you say it is? 49? Could be very tough to
> find chain wheels for unless you're very good with a
> drill press. :-)
> 220049757686

Looks like a late edition model 99. Drilled rings were an option for the model 99 for quite a while ("bis" designation, IIRC). I have a drilled 28T ring for that crank...

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-John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org) Appleton WI USA ------------------------------

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