Chris Hooker 29 Bashford Road Ajax, Ontario L1S 3Z7
Please would you send me the web site of Classicrendezvous of all the old frame builders in the world ? I used to have it but seem to have lost it . It was fascinating to me having come from England as I remembered all those old names.This would be most appreciated . Sincerely Chris Hooker
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> 1. Re: RRA fixed side cup removal (Sheldon Brown)
> 2. Re: Coppi bike - is it real? (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 3. eBay outing: (empty) Campy boxes (mostly) (Dave Abraham)
> 4. Obsevations On Recent CR Postings (Joe King)
> 5. Confente signed Masi on eBay?
> 6. For Sale The Great Bike Race (Joe King)
> 7. Re: Coppi bike - is it real? (aldoross4)
> 8. Re: Confente signed Masi on eBay?
> 9. Fwd: Re: FW: Re: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore (Art Link)
> 10. Bianchi track bikes with "road style" dropouts (was "Coppi bike -
> is it real?") (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 11. Re: Confente signed Masi on eBay? (jjandkk)
> 12. Cleaning handle bar tape...some progress is possible (Tom Sanders)
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:10:20 -0500
>From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
>To: "Peter Brown" <peterg.brown@ntlworld.com>, <GRIFFKS@aol.com>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]RRA fixed side cup removal
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>Peter Brown wrote:
> >
> >The RRA fixed side cup does have threads, but the last little bit of the
> >cup is without thread, to stop it going any further in, so it then
>appears
> >to be threadless. The 2 flats are very shallow, and need a keen edge
>spann
>er
> >to grip on them. They are also very brittle and easily crack off, so be
> >careful. It you are unable to get a grip with your spanner try using a ¾
>
> >nut and bolt and some washers through the cup to clamp the spanner in
> >position. If that fails, use the nut and bolt with some packing washers
> >to sandwich the flat of the cup. As you tighten the grip of the nut and
> >bolt it will frequently remove the cup.
>
>I have a detailed article on this, with photos at:
>
>http://sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
>
>Sheldon "Bolts" Brown
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:13:33 -0800 (PST)
>From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Coppi bike - is it real?
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>Ws the use of ordinary, road-style, horizontal dropouts
>pecualiar to Coppi's track bikes, or were all Bianchi track
>bikes from the era built in that manner?
> Cheers,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>
>--- aldoross4 <aldoross4@siscom.net> wrote:
>
> > The use of road drop-outs on the "Fausto Coppi" track bike
> > matches pictures of the pursuit bike he used during 1949. I
> > have not yet checked to see if the "F C" on the head lug is
> > visible in any of the magazines.
> >
> > Aldo Ross
> > Middletown, Ohio, USA
> >
> > ----- Original Message Follows -----
> > From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net>
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]Coppi bike - is it real?
> > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:30:15 -0800
> >
> > > Sifting through the various Coppi bikes - the one in the
> > > Milan Technological Museum appears to be too small for
> > > the Campionissimo, the one at the Madonna del Ghisallo
> > > has a later Simplex derailleur - I wonder about Alex
> > > Clarke's machine, visible at
> > >
> > > http://www.vintagevelos.com/
> > >
> > > Are those card symbols really evidence for a Coppi
> > > provenance? Or were they used on a) top-of-the-line bikes
> > > for sale or b) on all team bikes at the time? What about
> > > the "FC" in the lugs? A true sign of a "Fausto" bike, or
> > > just a "commemorative" series?
> > >
> > > The bike does appear to be Coppi's size, and the thinned
> > > BB shell appears to indicate a top-of-the-line Bianchi of
> > > the time. I have not yet asked Alex about the history to
> > > see whether there is more to its provenance...
> > >
> > > Opinions appreciated.
> > > --
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:27:55 -0800 (PST)
>From: Dave Abraham <daviabraham@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]eBay outing: (empty) Campy boxes (mostly)
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>(no connection.. yada, yada)
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:39:38 +0000
>From: "Joe King" <joeking@fastmail.fm>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Obsevations On Recent CR Postings
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>The Grubb Meteor I always thought that the Meteor Massed Start was a
>60's Holdsworthy built frame and carried the name Freddie Grubb which
>they say he hated.
>RRA Bottom bracket cup removal. I am positive that Cyclo of Birmingham
>made a cup removal tool that you could get a special adaptor plate for
>Raleigh Cycles BB cups. Trust Raleigh to be different with their bracket
>cups and headsets, different threads. The Raleigh headsets were fitted
>by a lot of the pre and post war builders. The chrome and quality was
>said to be the best available then. Russ use to fit them quite often.
>Gillott block letter transfers these either went out of vogue, changing
>fashions or fell foul of the very strict R.T.T.C. no advertising bans.
>Both Gillott and Claud Butler used block letter in the 40's but reverted
>to the smaller script signatures for these reasons. Claud put block
>letter transfer on his frames when he restarted making in the early
>60's. He had to do this as the receiver had sold his signature trade
>mark to Holdsworthy's when his business collapsed in 1957. Holdsworths
>soon hit back and revived the block letter transfers on their inferior
>built Butler's.
>Northern builders; their frames were very popular in the London area and
>had a deservedly high reputation. Most of the southerners use to have a
>look at what the Northern boys were riding when they competed and
>thought I'll have some of that.
>Why the London makers get all the publicity is I think down to this
>simple fact, all the editorial offices of the cycling press were located
>in central London, in fact very close to the City and Fleet Street with
>all the famous watering holes. I would reckon that is almost certain
>that the cycling papers top staff were being taken on knives and forks
>and
>jollies by the famous London makers. Lets face it there wasn't much
>advertising space to sell in the magazines of the times and why go up
>north when you could be wined and dined and sell your space easily in
>the capital.
>Merlin's where one of the famous London makers who came to prominence in
>the early 1920's. Think they originally started as the Merlin Tyre
>Company in Tollington Park North London, they sold tyres and Merlin
>racing accessories such as brakes, pedals, tyres and shoes. I don't know
>if they manufactured this stuff or were like Constrictor and got BSA and
>Stronglight to put their brand name on. Merlins had a high reputation
>and made many fine bikes. Their tricycles and tandems are amongst the
>best from that era. They were innovative and used a novel front fork
>drop-out which was unique to them. Like all of these once popular
>builders they struggled in the 50's, there stuff was seen as old world
>and very tourist like. They closed in 1955 and I think J.R.J
>purchased the brand.
>Hope this prompts a response and fills in some of the gaps by the far
>more knowledgeable.
>Best wishes Joe.
>Croeso Cymru Joe King Nr. Maenaddwyn Ynys Mon Wales
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:03:41 -0500
>From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Confente signed Masi on eBay?
>Message-ID:
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>eBay item 200046711616
>
>Seller says "The original owner of the bicycle told me that it was welded
>at the 1979 Bicycle Dealer Tradeshow Expo (now Interbike) in California by
>Mario Confente and painted by Jim Allen." Obviously we are not dealing
>with an expert. The bike has an odd paint job: it is sort of metallic
>purple on the seat stays, down, and seat tubes; then a medium metallic
>blue elsewhere. I initially assumed that this meant it had once been a
>purple bike, and was resprayed blue with an attempt made to save the
>decalled areas. However the head tube is blue with a Masi decal.
>
>The main reason I bring this to your attention is the signature on the
>right side of the top tube, where one would expect to see Faliero's
>signature. On this bike it seems to say Mario Confente. The signature
>looks as if it was made with a metallic marker. Is it possible that this
>bike is authentic?
>
>
>Best regards,
>Marcus Helman
>Huntington Woods, MI
>
>
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>
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:46:10 +0000
>From: "Joe King" <joeking@fastmail.fm>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]For Sale The Great Bike Race
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>For sale The Great Bike Race by Geoffrey Nicholson. Paperback published
>1977, good condition. Great Tour de france book. $10.00 includes
>postage.
>Original 4/5 speed Simplex cog 3/32 16T NOS in original packing $8.00
>includes postage.
>Please contact off list.
>Croeso Cymru Joe King Nr. Maenaddwyn Ynys Mon Wales
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:13:05 -0500
>From: "aldoross4" <aldoross4@siscom.net>
>To: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Coppi bike - is it real?
>Message-ID: <455e09c1.2fb.276d.1236535840@siscom.net>
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>
>This bike in the Bartali museum, from the collection of
>Domenico Razzani, is purported to be one of Coppi's pursuit
>bikes (1953)... not once again the road (or road-style)
>dropouts:
>
>www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/testi/biciclette/biciclettacoppi.htm
>
>Aldo Ross
>Middletown, Ohio, USA
>
>----- Original Message Follows -----
>From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Coppi bike - is it real?
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:13:33 -0800 (PST)
>
> > Ws the use of ordinary, road-style, horizontal dropouts
> > pecualiar to Coppi's track bikes, or were all Bianchi
> > track bikes from the era built in that manner?
> > Cheers,
> > Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
> >
> > --- aldoross4 <aldoross4@siscom.net> wrote:
> >
> > > The use of road drop-outs on the "Fausto Coppi" track
> > > bike matches pictures of the pursuit bike he used during
> > > 1949. I have not yet checked to see if the "F C" on the
> > > head lug is visible in any of the magazines.
> > >
> > > Aldo Ross
> > > Middletown, Ohio, USA
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message Follows -----
> > > From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net>
> > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > Subject: [CR]Coppi bike - is it real?
> > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:30:15 -0800
> > >
> > > > Sifting through the various Coppi bikes - the one in
> > > > the Milan Technological Museum appears to be too
> > > > small for the Campionissimo, the one at the Madonna
> > > > del Ghisallo has a later Simplex derailleur - I
> > > > wonder about Alex Clarke's machine, visible at
> > > >
> > > > http://www.vintagevelos.com/
> > > >
> > > > Are those card symbols really evidence for a Coppi
> > > > provenance? Or were they used on a) top-of-the-line
> > > > bikes for sale or b) on all team bikes at the time?
> > > > What about the "FC" in the lugs? A true sign of a
> > > > "Fausto" bike, or just a "commemorative" series?
> > > >
> > > > The bike does appear to be Coppi's size, and the
> > > > thinned BB shell appears to indicate a
> > > > top-of-the-line Bianchi of the time. I have not yet
> > > > asked Alex about the history to see whether there is
> > > > more to its provenance...
> > > > Opinions appreciated.
> > > > --
> > > > Jan Heine
> > > > Editor
> > > > Bicycle Quarterly
> > > > 140 Lakeside Ave #C
> > > > Seattle WA 98122
> > > > http://www.bikequarterly.com
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:21:17 +0000
>From: freesound@comcast.net
>To: marcus.e.helman@gm.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Confente signed Masi on eBay?
>Message-ID:
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>I had the same thoughts, and was not successful at reading the number
>stampings on the BB tang. If he is just going by an "MC" stamp, we know
>that is not a strong indicator of a Confente build. It does LOOK like a
>GC, I wouldn't guess it's a bogus repaint (non-Masi frame painted as a
>Masi), although it could be a repaint. Depending on its vintage it could
>be custom, I guess. Dave Moulton told me that Kirkbride built some custom
>frames, and I suppose they could have been custom painted.
>
>Ken Freeman
>Ann Arbor, MI USA
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: marcus.e.helman@gm.com
>
> > eBay item 200046711616
> >
> > Seller says "The original owner of the bicycle told me that it was
>welded
> > at the 1979 Bicycle Dealer Tradeshow Expo (now Interbike) in California
>by
> > Mario Confente and painted by Jim Allen." Obviously we are not dealing
> > with an expert. The bike has an odd paint job: it is sort of metallic
> > purple on the seat stays, down, and seat tubes; then a medium metallic
> > blue elsewhere. I initially assumed that this meant it had once been a
> > purple bike, and was resprayed blue with an attempt made to save the
> > decalled areas. However the head tube is blue with a Masi decal.
> >
> > The main reason I bring this to your attention is the signature on the
> > right side of the top tube, where one would expect to see Faliero's
> > signature. On this bike it seems to say Mario Confente. The signature
> > looks as if it was made with a metallic marker. Is it possible that this
> > bike is authentic?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Marcus Helman
> > Huntington Woods, MI
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:37:29 -0800 (PST)
>From: Art Link <artlink@columnssanantonio.com>
>To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: Re: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore
>Message-ID: <20061117193729.55043.qmail@web34102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>Do not restore!! Art Link,San Antonio,TX,USA
>
>JEFFERY Pyzyk <appraisalresourcegroup@msn.com> wrote: From: "JEFFERY
>Pyzyk" <appraisalresourcegroup@msn.com>
>To: raydobbins2003@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: FW: Re: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:04:36 -0600
>
>
>Oops, forgot the http://
>
>Jeff
>
> >From: Raymond Dobbins
> >To: JEFFERY Pyzyk ,
> >classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: Re: FW: Re: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore
> >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:01:39 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Slightly better link:
> >
> > http://www.raydobbins.com/
> >
> > Ray Dobbins
> > Miami FL USA
> >
> >
> >
> >JEFFERY Pyzyk wrote:
> >
> >Thanks for uploading the photos Ray. Here is the link to the ratty late
> >60's early 70's SC frame, my restored approximately 1967 SC for
>comparison
> >purposes, and my Falerio Masi (just for fun).
> >
> >www.raydobbins.com/misc/Jeffs_Cinelli/Jeffs_Cinelli.htm
> >
> >
> >Jeff Pyzyk
> >Milwaukee, WI
> >
> >
> > >From: Raymond Dobbins
> > >To: JEFFERY Pyzyk ,
> > >classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >Subject: Re: [CR]To Restore or Not to Restore
> > >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:56:22 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > There are ratty bikes, and there are ratty bikes with appeal. Why
>don't
> > >you link us to a couple of pics of your Cinelli so we can give you our
> > >specific opinions about your bike, rather than just our general
>opinions
> >on
> > >the subject of whether to restore or not. It'll be more fun for us and
> > >more useful to you - a win-win situation!
> > >
> > > Go ahead, get the camera, we'll wait :)
> > >
> > > Ray Dobbins
> > > Miami Fla USA
> > >
> > >JEFFERY Pyzyk wrote:
> > > This topic has probably been hashed around on the list more than Blond
> > >Lebanese in Madison during the late '60's. However, given some of the
> > >recent E-bay prices for unrestored "rats", I think the topic can safely
> >be
> > >revisited.
> > >
> > >I've got a late 60's/early 70's Cinelli SC with original decals and
> >what's
> > >left of the original silver paint. It is an early drilled lug frame
>with
> > >the old-style long campy dropouts, and also still has the fender
>eyelets.
> > >It is ratty as hell. "Patina" is not a word that comes to mind. The
>paint
> > >is
> > >worn through all over the place with some pitting of chrome in the
>usual
> > >areas under the lugs. Looking at it, you would say that it obviously
> >needs
> > >to be stripped, re-chromed, and re-painted.
> > >
> > >However, it is authentic! Decals and color bands, lettering, and the
> > >Columbus SL decals are honest and original.
> > >
> > >After seeing what one old battle worn Cinelli recently sold for on
>E-bay,
> >I
> > >have some doubts that a restored bike would be any more valuable than a
> > >ratty original one. Like most of you, I'm in this for love and not for
> > >money, so the decision is not really based on economics.
> > >
> > >My personal preference is for my bikes to look as near to new as
> >possible.
> > >It's probably from some Freudian anal retentive stage I never got
>through
> > >or
> > >something, I don't know. However, in this case, I have some trepidation
> > >about restoration.
> > >
> > >Jeff Pyzyk
> > >Milwaukee, WI
> > >
> > >
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:40:26 -0800 (PST)
>From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Bianchi track bikes with "road style" dropouts (was "Coppi
>bike -
> is it real?")
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>Aldo,
> Thanks for the link. My question, though, is whether only
>Coppi's bikes were built this way; or whether all (or most)
>Bianchi track bikes of the 1940s and '50s were built with road
>style dropouts instead of track style fork ends.
> Could it be that once derailleurs came into wide use,
>Bianchi used the same dropouts for all racing bikes? (That is,
>until the traditionalists insisted they return to using
>traditional fork ends on the track bikes.)
> Cheers,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>
>--- aldoross4 <aldoross4@siscom.net> wrote:
>
> > This bike in the Bartali museum, from the collection of
> > Domenico Razzani, is purported to be one of Coppi's pursuit
> > bikes (1953)... not once again the road (or road-style)
> > dropouts:
> >
> >
>www.ciclomuseo-bartali.it/testi/biciclette/biciclettacoppi.htm
> >
> > Aldo Ross
> > Middletown, Ohio, USA
> >
> > ----- Original Message Follows -----
> > From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Coppi bike - is it real?
> > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:13:33 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > > Ws the use of ordinary, road-style, horizontal dropouts
> > > pecualiar to Coppi's track bikes, or were all Bianchi
> > > track bikes from the era built in that manner?
> > > Cheers,
> > > Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
> > >
> > > --- aldoross4 <aldoross4@siscom.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The use of road drop-outs on the "Fausto Coppi" track
> > > > bike matches pictures of the pursuit bike he used during
> > > > 1949. I have not yet checked to see if the "F C" on the
> > > > head lug is visible in any of the magazines.
> > > >
> > > > Aldo Ross
> > > > Middletown, Ohio, USA
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message Follows -----
> > > > From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net>
> > > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > > Subject: [CR]Coppi bike - is it real?
> > > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:30:15 -0800
> > > >
> > > > > Sifting through the various Coppi bikes - the one in
> > > > > the Milan Technological Museum appears to be too
> > > > > small for the Campionissimo, the one at the Madonna
> > > > > del Ghisallo has a later Simplex derailleur - I
> > > > > wonder about Alex Clarke's machine, visible at
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.vintagevelos.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Are those card symbols really evidence for a Coppi
> > > > > provenance? Or were they used on a) top-of-the-line
> > > > > bikes for sale or b) on all team bikes at the time?
> > > > > What about the "FC" in the lugs? A true sign of a
> > > > > "Fausto" bike, or just a "commemorative" series?
> > > > >
> > > > > The bike does appear to be Coppi's size, and the
> > > > > thinned BB shell appears to indicate a
> > > > > top-of-the-line Bianchi of the time. I have not yet
> > > > > asked Alex about the history to see whether there is
> > > > > more to its provenance...
> > > > > Opinions appreciated.
> > > > > --
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:57:36 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
>From: jjandkk <designzero@earthlink.net>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Confente signed Masi on eBay?
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>Quickly, as I should be working.
>
>BB shell shows MC58, remember this is how Masi measures which confuses
>many, so the size stated is off.
>
>The other numerics on the shell are consistent with late Carlsbad serial
>number stamping placement and numbers, might be 06 90 don't quote me on
>it. If correct I would place it shipped in the 4th quarter of 1976.
>
>My view, late Carlsbad, repainted with added braze ons and ditched chrome.
>
>If the number is 0690, then well past Mario's tenure.
>
>I owned a late Carlsbad and think they are nice, This one will have IC
>lugs. I have trouble adapting my aesthetic to this bike's updated paint
>scheme.
>
>John Jorgensen
>Toiling in Torrance Ca USA
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:58:39 -0500
>From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Cleaning handle bar tape...some progress is possible
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>One can make some headway with this by using Alcohol and a plain white
>paper
>towel...you can't get it all, but you can get a lot of it. Plan on using a
>fair amount of towels. It will leave the wrap sort of patinated, but
>intact. I have not tried this on leather yet...might I suggest turning the
>bike upside down and work on a small out of site spot until you see the
>results.
>Tom Sanders
>Lansing, Mi USA
>
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