Re: [CR] Bikini lugs, cracking the head tube

(Example: Framebuilders:Pino Morroni)

Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:13:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR] Bikini lugs, cracking the head tube
In-reply-to: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A907064281@hippy.home.here>
To: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>
References: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A907064281@hippy.home.here>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Eisho, still holding up (under a substantial load) on my Dave Tesch. Tesch was a big user of Bikini lugs in the US.

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/USA/Tesch/JBZ/head.JPG

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Bulgier"
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:57:00 -0000
Subject: [CR] Bikini lugs, cracking the head tube
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


>

\r?\n> A beautiful artisanal custom bike I saw recently had a fatigue-cracked

\r?\n> head tube, right at the downtube lug edge, and it was not nearly the

\r?\n> first one I've seen.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The cracked frame had lugs filed down so small that they fell

\r?\n> into the

\r?\n> category of "bikini" lugs. (The name doesn't refer to "two-

\r?\n> piece", as

\r?\n> with the swimsuit, just the tinyness of it. A lug that doesn't

\r?\n> cover up

\r?\n> much of the joint.) That's not a bad thing in itself - I like bikini

\r?\n> lugs.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> In my experience, lugs with a too-small "hand-full" of head tube will

\r?\n> sometimes (depressingly often in fact) cause a crack in the head

\r?\n> tube at

\r?\n> the DT lug, for riders over a certain size/weight and/or miles/power

\r?\n> combo. Cracked head tubes are relatively rare for frames with a

\r?\n> littlemore meat there in the DT lug - including cheap frames.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> An example: Of the two ultimate (to me) '80s-vintage investment cast

\r?\n> bikini lugs, Ohtsuya and Eisho, the Ohtsuya will crack head

\r?\n> tubes at the

\r?\n> DT for big/strong/hi-mileage riders, where the Eisho won't. The

\r?\n> difference is subtle, but enough.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Eisho is probably best known from Nagasawa:

\r?\n> http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/FrameParts/Eisho_lugs.jpg

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I don't have a great photo of the Ohtsuya DT lug but I think you

\r?\n> can see

\r?\n> the problem area here:

\r?\n> http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/FrameParts/Ohtsuya&Saba.jpg

\r?\n> Look for the red arrow. The lug's grasp of the head tube tapers

\r?\n> down to

\r?\n> nearly zero (under 1 mm) at that point, and that's where the

\r?\n> head tube

\r?\n> crack starts. Eisho has just a silly millimeter or so more meat

\r?\n> there,enough to put fatigue cracks out of the question for all

\r?\n> but the most

\r?\n> abusive riders. Overall though, the Eisho is just as small a lug.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> For years (late-80s - early 90s maybe?), Richard Sachs's ad in

\r?\n> the bike

\r?\n> magazines was a picture of someone's hands holding a file poised

\r?\n> over a

\r?\n> lug. (Presumably the hands are e-Richie's - though he wasn't

\r?\n> known by

\r?\n> that name yet!) The lug in the ad is an Ohtsuya DT, which is pretty

\r?\n> funny in itself, since there is NOTHING to file on those lugs, but

\r?\n> especially funny because the file in the photo is shown poised

\r?\n> to file

\r?\n> RIGHT on that one edge on that lug that is already way too small

\r?\n> - at

\r?\n> the red arrow in my photo. I believe this was an in-joke from

\r?\n> Richie to

\r?\n> the few people who knew how ridiculous it was to file right

\r?\n> there, on

\r?\n> that lug.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Just so we're clear - this is NOT a slam on Richard Sachs, who has

\r?\n> designed lots of lugs, all of which have plenty of meat at that point

\r?\n> I'm talking about. All the more reason I think the photo in his

\r?\n> old ad

\r?\n> is an in-joke.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The moral is, lugs can safely be carved down pretty darn small, but

\r?\n> there is a minimum, which varies from one area to another

\r?\n> depending on

\r?\n> the stresses on that area. And the headtube edge of the

\r?\n> downtube lug is

\r?\n> one area where some lugs are carved down too small - fairly frequently

\r?\n> actually, in my experience, at least among high-end or custom

\r?\n> builders.(Cheap frames break too of course, but for different

\r?\n> reasons and mostly

\r?\n> in different places.)

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Mark Bulgier

\r?\n> Seattle WA USA