[CR]Is it a Garin ..or a Remy?

(Example: Production Builders:Cinelli)

From: "Norris Lockley" <norris.lockley@talktalk.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:44:06 -0000
Subject: [CR]Is it a Garin ..or a Remy?

Fascinating story about Wim Van Est's bike, from Freek...and it answers many as yet unanswered questions.

there's a lot of contris in the CR archive about Van Est and a lot of speculation about his frames..and Garins.

I bought a bike in France that I thought was a Garin..very fancy headlugs, not too disimilar from but not identical to those on Van Est's frame. At the time of the debate on the List..about two years ago, Oscar Cassander gave an internet site address that has pictures of Van Est.'s crashed bike.

When I visited the site I noticed that the frame had a Garin headbadge, a small disc-shaped affair rivetted on to the headtube. My frame has no rivet holes..and is probably not a Garin.

However, so good is the clarity of one of the photos that a second pair of drill holes , at much wider centres, can be seen.

The question is..did Remy frames have a large metal headbadge with the rivet holes spaced well apart on a vertical axis?

The link to the photos is:- http:home.wanadoo.nl/retropeugeot/Garin. The pictures are still displayed in all their glory.

Norris Lockley..from a dreadfully wet Settle UK