Re: [CR]Corrections to the FS listing: 1972 Eisentrautframeset21&1/2"

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From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net>
To: "'classicrendezvous'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <003001c72090$b3d74ec0$1e02a8c0@BruceGordon>
Subject: Re: [CR]Corrections to the FS listing: 1972 Eisentrautframeset21&1/2"
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:32:40 -0500
reply-type=original

Dear List,

Frankly, I thought Bruce's post was refreshing.

FWIW, I found it to be factual, concise, on topic and appropriate - just what the list sometimes needs; it is all to frequent that any number of list members get caught up in vagaries, unwarranted and incorrect criticism and jumping to conclusions before real facts are presented.

Thank you for the post Bruce, I found it to be helpful.

Eric Elman
Somers, CT USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Gordon
To: 'Michael Schmidt'


<hetchinspete1@yahoo.com>; "'classicrendezvous'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [CR]Corrections to the FS listing: 1972 Eisentrautframeset21&1/2"


> What's rude about the truth!!
> Peter has almost corrected the facts.
> The frame is a NOT an Eisentraut. It is a Limited. The Downtube decals
> are
> wrong. The Seat Tube sticker that was on the frame originally said
> Limited
> - Made by Eisentraut Bicycles Inc.
> Calling the frame an Eisentraut is wrong. I told Peter that if he was
> sold
> it as a 1972 Eisentraut with that decal - he should return the bike to the
> shop that sold it to him, because it was that shop that lied to him.
>
> Calling a Limited an Eisentraut is like calling a Honda an Acura, because
> they are both made by the same company.
> I apologize if this sounds rude - I just thought that a group who is so
> interested in minutia would like to know the truth.
> Again I am not calling Peter a liar or deceitful - he was just relaying
> misinformation that he received - the liar is the shop that sold it to
> him -
> be pissed at them.
> I'm not saying that it is not a good bike - it probably is, just Not an
> Eisentraut. It is a Limited (made by Eisentraut Bicycles Inc.) with the
> wrong decals.
>
> Regards,
> Bruce Gordon
> (Former Vice President of Eisentraut Bicycles Inc from 1974 to 1976)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Schmidt
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:06 PM
> To: Peter Naiman; classicrendezvous
> Subject: Re: [CR]Corrections to the FS listing: 1972
> Eisentrautframeset21&1/2"
>
> Peter,
>
> Does the frame come with a "Bruce Gordon was rude to me button?"
>
>
>
> On 12/15/06 3:44 PM, "Peter Naiman" <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In light of Bruce Gordon's remarks posted below regarding the frame I've
> for
>> sale, in making the corrections, I'll state clearly that the information
>> I
>> posted in my original sale advert was my understanding of the frame when
>> I
>> purchased it from a shop, with information provided by the owner to the
> shop
>> owner upon my purchase. I was informed at the time that the frame was
> original
>> finish, which Bruce having worked at Eisentraut informs me it's not. I
> never
>> stated quality or model of frame, only that it is an Eisentraut from
>> 1972,
> and
>> I stand partially corrected in that Bruce "thinks" it might be 1975.
>>
>> Going on the fact that this is still avery nice vintage riding frame
> from
>> the early to mid-70s, and an Eisentraut, I'm adjusting my asking price to
> $550
>> or Best Offer.
>>
>> Peter Naiman
>> Glendale, WI