hal, you need not apologize to anyone...your original post did not sound as though you were fishing for value feedback...that info is all over the internet anyway and i hardly believe you were trolling for some secret price to go run off elsewhere and make a cool million on an old paramount frame set....your offer to sell it to a list member for your clearly stated reasons seemed quite generous...sounded like you were saying, if you are interested in this frameset, make me an offer and i'll send it out for 35 tiny little dollars....again, quite generous of you....who doesn't make that peskey mistake of improper sign off the first time you post, i did.... you hardly needed more than a mention from an old timer to get you staightened out....your treatment by a few was unfortunately typical of fresh meat to this list ....let me apologize to you for any barnyard behavior of those few.....i also wanted to take a moment and WELCOME you to this forum....you are to feel free to chime in when you care to and don't let the behavior a few put you off...that goes for the many out there that never speak up for fear of being attacked because your question may seem too obvious...please, lets hear those voices in the new year as well as all the regular good guys who contribute so much of their considerable knowledge on a daily basis....gotta problem?....dale is our voice of reason and referee and " the decider" and the plain old final word. again, i want to say welcome aboard, and save your apologies for some big gaff down the line. charlie flaherty baltimore maryland usa