John,
I looked at your wanted list and I thought the prices you offered were eminently fair and reasonable, the kind that few sellers on this list would try to renegotiate higher. I simply did not have anything you wanted. I suspect that is the main reason why you did not get a better response in general. The NOS stuff is getting so scarce that even within a group like ours it is hard to find. And in the case of listers who did have something you wanted, I guess many of them simply don't want to part with their few remaining NOS bits.
My feeling is that the prices you offered are pretty much where the market is for those parts, and the lack of response is due to the ever-increasing scarcity of the parts. Something tells me you could have offered twice what you did, and you still would have gotten the same response - I say, why don't you give that a try? Let's find out for sure :)
Ray Dobbins (wanting to play with other people's money) Miami FL USA
John Barron <jb@velostuf.com> wrote: Jerry-
God bless you, but you're giving me way too much credit! Actually, what's going on here is *simply* that I am trying to buy some parts to build up a bike. I don't think that I'd get any response if I just said, "Wanted to Buy" because there is sufficient confusion about what some things are worth- potential sellers might be reluctant to set a selling price. So, in basic "open outcry" style, I shout out an bid to buy. If someone sells me a part at that price, then, that's where the market's at.
In this case, I got one response for one headset. ONE RESPONSE. ( I bought it) So, among all of the CR list members, there is only one NOS Campy headset that CR members are willing to sell at that price. What does that tell you about this group's feeling about what these are worth?? Please, it's *not* me who is establishing the value on these!!!
For those folks out there who think that guys like me are making the market, you are flat wrong. It's the market that's making the market. I could have made an offer to buy 10 Campy headsets for $200 each. It wouldn't have mattered. I only got one response for one headset.
By the way, I'll pay $55 for a perfect NOS Campy BSC Super Record headset top nut.
So, what am I supposed to think when aggressive offers to buy are met with virtual silence? If people aren't willing to sell for my bid price, then maybe those parts are worth at least that much? (at least at this point in time).
John Barron
Minneapolis
jb@velostuf.com
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:24:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
To: Tam Pham , John Barron
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Subject: Re: [CR]re: Suprising ending to Cinelli Pista frameset auction
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Well, I was surprised by the prices John was offering a couple of days ago for certain NOS bits. And since I assume John doesn't intend to lose money by reselling those bits, he obviously thinks there has been a change in the market such that classic bikes and parts will now routinely command prices more in line with other collectable. I guess I should hope he is right, since it would increase the value of my rather extensive hoard. But I think I feel more concerned that I'll have to pay more for future purchases.
Regards,
Jerry Moos
Big Spring, TX
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