Some personal reminiscenses re. The Eisentraut Ltd. Bought a used one for my wife about fifteen years ago, had it stripped and repainted. The build quality was super-- clean lug brazing, frame perfectly straight, nice hand filing -- and it rode so well I would have stolen it from my wife except it was just too small. So lets not get lost in the question of whether it was an "A" or a Limited -- they're each indiviually built frames and they are as good as THAT particular frame. Alan Bernstein -- when does winter start in Ct?