I recently received this saddle from a French Ebayer.
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I really wasn't aware of this model but it looked prewar so I took a chance.
I was delighted when I received because the condition is rather good, although the leather is a bit dry. At one time suspect it was well cared for and then it just sat would be my guess.
Anyway, the saddle is a very nice lightweight model with an aluminium cantle plate, wire bag loops and very careful trimming of excess leather. I would say the hide was selected a bit on the thin side also to get the weight down.
Before I asked the list what I had, I checked the Brooks website and answered my own question.
Brooks has a great selection of old, particularily pre-war, catalogs available for download. Right there in the 1937 catalog is the announcement of the new Flyweight model. It weighs 19 oz., 5 oz. less than the comparable B17 Flyer. The rest of the prewar B17 range is listed also - in descending width - the Standard, Narrow, Flyer and Sprinter. The Flyer and Sprinter width haven't been available for quite a while, probably since the early 1960's.
I guess the Flyweight model sort of briefly reemerged as the B-37 after WWII. That model was only made for a few years and had stainless steel rails that were, according to the knowledgeable, subject to breaking.
Anyway, quite glad to get this and those who come to the Cirque can see it on a circa 1938 Sieber track bike I will bring.
If anyone has gotten this far, I am still looking for a set of Sieber hubs.
Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ
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\r?\n> Congratulations Victor,
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\r?\n> On my website http://www.fattiretrading.com
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\r?\n> I have one page which shows some CCM literature
\r?\n> http://www.fattiretrading.com/
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\r?\n> and one page which shows my CCM Red Bird. Which by the way has
\r?\n> aVancouver license sticker.
\r?\n> http://www.fattiretrading.com/
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\r?\n> Both pages have a link to a list of CCM serial #s which I got from
\r?\n> another CR member
\r?\n> http://www.fattiretrading.com/
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\r?\n> chris ioakimedes
\r?\n> Fairfax California
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\r?\n> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
\r?\n> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of
\r?\n> vjp@telus.net
\r?\n> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:10 PM
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\r?\n> Subject: [CR]CCM Flyer
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\r?\n> Woo Hoo!
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\r?\n> After about 6 months of subtle work, I have, in my care an early CCM
\r?\n> Flyer.
\r?\n> I am wondering if anyone could help me narrow down it's birth year.
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\r?\n> It has the following:
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\r?\n> There is a serial # stamped on the seatlug in three groupings 4 B6 77.
\r?\n> There
\r?\n> is a possibility that the "B" is actually a 3, but even with a
\r?\n> loupe I'm
\r?\n> not
\r?\n> positive.
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\r?\n> Stamped, diamond shaped headbadge with CCM horizontally across the
\r?\n> center of
\r?\n> the badge.
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\r?\n> Steep fork angle as compared to the road racer.
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\r?\n> No braze-ons.
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\r?\n> No drillings for brakes.
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\r?\n> No tubing decals, model name decals or pin striping, but it does
\r?\n> have a
\r?\n> 1947
\r?\n> bicycle registration decal on the seattube.
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\r?\n> CCM Flyer front hub with 27 inch, 36 hole Dunlop Special Lightweight
\r?\n> rim.
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\r?\n> Fork has chrome crown and lower 1/3.
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\r?\n> CCM headset.
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\r?\n> Major Taylor stem with plated steel track bars.
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\r?\n> B17 narrow saddle with corked Brooks alloy pin.
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\r?\n> CCM cotterless steel cranks and chainring (1/2" pitch).
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\r?\n> Currently set up with a Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub. It is an AM 8. I
\r?\n> know!
\r?\n> It should be an AM 3 but it is stamped as clear as day AM 8. It is
\r?\n> not a
\r?\n> double hit. I guess that someone engraved it wrong. It also does not
\r?\n> have a
\r?\n> year on the hub that I can see. The AM 3 came out in 1936, when did
\r?\n> theystart engraving the year of build on the hubs?
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\r?\n> Since it is a 3 speed it has Philco clamp on brakes front and rear.
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\r?\n> The colour is sort of a taupe, beige, champagne but it shows white
\r?\n> whereit
\r?\n> has been rubbed through in spots. Would the white be primer/undercoat,
\r?\n> or
\r?\n> was maybe the bike re-painted at some time (before 1947, remember the
\r?\n> reg.)
\r?\n> and that is why there is no decals, striping etc.?
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\r?\n> That is about it!
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\r?\n> What do you think?
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\r?\n> Victor Penner
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\r?\n> slowly building a canadian bike collection in Van/BC/Canada