Jack Constable at Franklin Frames is quite close to you, Aldo. 7179 Reform Rd Newark, OH. 740.763.3838. He relaced the BB shell on my 78 Motobecane, and does lots of repair work for regional shops in addition to building and repainting frames.He works out of a huge barn/shop on his farm. Doug Wagner Richmond,KY
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Today's Topics:
1. who's a good choice for frame alignment? (Aldo Ross) 2. Re: who's a good choice for frame alignment? (Sergio Servadio) 3. College Colors on a Bike 4. RE: who's a good choice for frame alignment? (Ken Freeeman) 5. who's a good choice for frame alignment? (Kevin Kruger) 6. Re: who's a good choice for frame alignment? (Stephen J DeOreo) 7. RE: alloy cleaners /polish (David Bilenkey) 8. RE: alloy cleaners /polish (kohl57@starpower.net) 9. Re: link to marginally on-topic video clip (Tom Dalton) 10. RE: alloy cleaners /polish (Raymond Dobbins) 11. RE: alloy cleaners /polish (David Bilenkey) 12. cleaners (richard jenkins) 13. RE: PUCH/Astro Damiler info wanted 14. Re: cleaners (Raymond Dobbins)
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:21:30 -0500 From: "Aldo Ross" To: Subject: [CR]who's a good choice for frame alignment? Message-ID: <000001c62d6f$113825f0$8b14fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
My "new" Legnano has a definite twist in the frameset i.e. the headtube and the seattube aren't in the same plane. I've been taking frames to Wheelie Fun in Lebanon, Ohio - they have Mike Melton's old frame table - but we recently discovered that the mast is not perpendicular to the table, making it very difficult to dial-in a frame. (What that might say about Mike Melton's bikes, I don't know ;-)
Anyway, I need a source for frame alignment. Anyone have any suggestion? Perhaps a shop within driving distance of Cincinnati-Columbus-Louisville-Indianapolis?
Thanks for any leads.
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio
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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:58:55 +0100 From: Sergio Servadio Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]who's a good choice for frame alignment? Message-ID: <43EB2E7F.8010608@df.unipi.it> In-Reply-To: <000001c62d6f$113825f0$8b14fbd1@Newhouse> References: <000001c62d6f$113825f0$8b14fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
Aldo Ross wrote:
>My "new" Legnano has a definite twist in the frameset i.e. the headtube
>and the seattube aren't in the same plane. I've been taking frames to
>Wheelie Fun in Lebanon, Ohio - they have Mike Melton's old frame table -
>but we recently discovered that the mast is not perpendicular to the
>table, making it very difficult to dial-in a frame. (What that might
>say about Mike Melton's bikes, I don't know ;-)
>
>Anyway, I need a source for frame alignment. Anyone have any
>suggestion? Perhaps a shop within driving distance of
>Cincinnati-Columbus-Louisville-Indianapolis?
>
>
>
I would mail it over to Andrew Muzi in Madison, Wisc..
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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 07:08:03 -0500 From: loudeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]College Colors on a Bike Message-ID: <8C7FB889CBD870A-468-1153E@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c62d6f$113825f0$8b14fbd1@Newhouse> References: <000001c62d6f$113825f0$8b14fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3
The above link shows a bike that listmember Jonathan Greene recently painted for me with my college colors and logo. For those of you who are also sports fans, this is offered as an idea for you to consider next time you find a frame that really doesn't care whether it has original decals or not. I'm sure many painters would do this for you as a custom job, or, you can also ask Jonathan Greene at jon3084@aol.com. Of interest to bicycle art lovers may also be the painting on the wall in the upper left of the picture of the full frame. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:33:59 -0500 From: "Ken Freeeman" To: "'Aldo Ross'" ,
Subject: RE: [CR]who's a good choice for frame alignment? Message-ID: <000001c62d75$1a5269b0$6501a8c0@maincomputer> In-Reply-To: <000001c62d6f$113825f0$8b14fbd1@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4
Aldo,
I've had alignment done at RRB Cycles in Kenilworth, Illinois (Ron Boi) lately, and I would try Doug Fattic in Niles, Michigan. That's not quite in your area, but I've been very surprised not to get more recommendations for the SE Michigan/Northern Ohio area, back when I looked.
Will you please share what you find? I fear this is a vanishing skill.
Way back in history I had alignment done at Schwab Cycles in Colorado.
Ken Freeman, Ann Arbor, MI
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Aldo Ross Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:22 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]who's a good choice for frame alignment?
My "new" Legnano has a definite twist in the frameset i.e. the headtube and the seattube aren't in the same plane. I've been taking frames to Wheelie Fun in Lebanon, Ohio - they have Mike Melton's old frame table - but we recently discovered that the mast is not perpendicular to the table, making it very difficult to dial-in a frame. (What that might say about Mike Melton's bikes, I don't know ;-)
Anyway, I need a source for frame alignment. Anyone have any suggestion? Perhaps a shop within driving distance of Cincinnati-Columbus-Louisville-Indianapolis?
Thanks for any leads.
Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:12:38 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Kruger To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" Subject: [CR]who's a good choice for frame alignment? Message-ID: <20060209141238.96303.qmail@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5
I highly recommend Matt Assenmacher for frame alignment and/or repair. He did an outstanding job restoring my 1949 Hetchins, including paint. Trust me, the head tube required serious work to remove the "twist" to get it back in line with the seattube.
He has a complete price list of all his work at the following address:
http://www.assenmachers.com/
Regards, Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:53:41 -0500 From: "Stephen J DeOreo" To: "Kevin Kruger" ,
Subject: Re: [CR]who's a good choice for frame alignment? Message-ID: <002101c62d88$9ebcbfd0$2402a8c0@stl.local> References: <20060209141238.96303.qmail@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
Kevin, That is a beautiful restoration! I am curious about the decals - were they sourced originals, or re-created by Assenmacher, or someone else? I have a bicycle that I would like to restore, but re-making unavaliable decals has always stopped me because I am not familiar with what can be done.
Steve DeOreo
North Canton, Ohio
>I highly recommend Matt Assenmacher for frame alignment and/or repair. He
>did an outstanding job restoring my 1949 Hetchins, including paint. Trust
>me, the head tube required serious work to remove the "twist" to get it
>back in line with the seattube.
> He has a complete price list of all his work at the following address:
> http://www.assenmachers.com/
> Photos of my restored Hetchins Super Special can be viewed at the
> following Wool Jersey address:
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> Regards,
> Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:56:48 -0500 From: "David Bilenkey" To: Subject: RE: [CR]alloy cleaners /polish Message-ID: Message-ID: <002c01c62d89$0e437830$b500a8c0@david372aca8f1> In-Reply-To: <014501c62d30$e42ef2c0$6401a8c0@eds> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7
Personally, I find NeverDull scratches too much. I prefer something called Peek, that comes in a tube (blue paste, like super soft toothpaste) or Meguiar's All Metal Restorer. Everyone mentions Simichrome, but either I don't hang out in the right stores or it isn't commonly available in my neck of the woods, so I've never used it.
Recently I got a 1/3hp buffing kit front Caswell and polishing is a whole other thing now! :-)
David
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Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
dbilenkey@sympatico.ca
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:26 PM
> To: wilc; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]alloy cleaners /polish
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> Wil:
>
> NeverDull wadding--the air force uses/used it on planes.
>
> Ed
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:11 PM
> Subject: [CR]alloy cleaners /polish
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> > hi. any of you guys know what works best for cleaning alloy??
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:34:15 -0500 From: "kohl57@starpower.net" To: dbilenkey@sympatico.ca, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]alloy cleaners /polish Message-ID: <380-22006249153415812@M2W130.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: kohl57@starpower.net Message: 8
Simichrome.
best source I've found: eBay (not them again!) where you can buy six tubes
at substantial discount from hardware store prices. Numerous dealers.
It's good stuff. Good enough that if you're into polishing alloy rims mo st people think you're riding on chromed rims. It's also wizard for polishi ng and cleaning bakelite.
Peter Kohler Washington DC USA
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Dalton To: Ben Kamenjas Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]link to marginally on-topic video clip Message-ID: <20060209153847.30012.qmail@web50209.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <126855bf3e345d26c61237b80e9d5538@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 9
I told myself I wouldnt get distracted today, but I think I need to respond to this one.
On 09/02/2006, at 1:10 PM, Tom Dalton of Bethlehem, PA wrote:
>
> Many of these "professional cyclists" show up to the T-town swap
> each October and drive up the street value of track parts. The steet
> value of most controlled substances probably drops throughout the
> Lehigh Valley at the same time. I mean, look at the video, they MUST
> be on drugs.
>
Ben Kamenjas wrote: Ummmm ..... 6 cats going bezerk in NYC makes you pass judgement on so many. Shame really, many of the type of cyclists to whom you refer really love the same old bikes and parts as we do. Their enthusiasm and knowledge for stuff that is older than their short years deserves a nod and some willingness from the cognoscenti to pass the torch and steer their admiration of classic bikes. To my mind all people into classic bikes are brothers (and sisters) and all cyclists are family. Is it not a good thing to share what is beautiful?
Ben: Ummmmmmmmmmmm no, I have somewhat more experience interacting with couriers from which to form my generalizations. That said, generalizations are rarely constructive, often hurtful and usually get taken the wrong way. It shouldnt surprise me that some people were offended by my comments on this video, but be assured that they were made with without contempt. Do you seriously think that Id be upset because couriers are supporting a market for track gear at the T-town swap? First of all, I have almost no interest in track gear. Its cool, just not my thing. Secondly, I have only been the beneficiary of the surprising prices that couriers are willing to pay for cool stuff. I think its great that some guy in his early 20s wants to buy a set of Con Dentes off me, especially when hes willing to pay an Ebay-like price. Letting the market dictate the price, is A-okay with me. As for the drugs comment, well, I actually think that is a kinder analysis than some of the alternatives. Lets not kid ourselves. I know from firsthand experience, the nature of which I cant detail without self-incrimination, that couriers are where bike culture and recreational drug culture collide. Are all couriers druggies? No. Am I a sanctimonious just-say-no zealot? Absolutely not. Being defensive about associations between couriers and drugs is equivalent to being defensive about associations between Deadheads and drugs or hip-hop and violence. Its part of the scene, and if a portion of the community abstains, its still part of the scene. That the bikes will outlast generations is all that matters. They are not yours, or mine or theirs ... we all just along for the ride. Actually, ridden in earnest, the bikes will not outlast generations. Yet, heaven help the CR guy who hangs bikes on walls instead of riding them. I dont really put much stock in this above mere ownership when it comes to bikes, or at least the vast majority of bikes. In fact, thats part of the reason that I couldnt care less if some guy from NYC buys up some nice pista gear and rides the life out of it in a manner that was never intended. Now, why anyone would select that equipment for that application, other than out of bravado, is beyond me. "I shall never judge anyone here irrespective of how unfashionably they are dressed at Le Cirque, nor for their propensity to take candid photo's showing how their Brooks saddle matches their choice of decking timber colour." Shall never judge. Thats pretty grandiose, dont you think? Setting aside my clothing and choice of deck stain, what if you saw a video of me doing big smoky burnouts around my neighborhood in an F250 while my neighbors kids are playing in the street? I would hope that you would look at that and judge it as reckless and self-indulgent behavior. Whether those riders in the video were couriers, tourists, or div 1 pros, they were imposing on other people in a significant way. They were unnecessarily exposing a lot of other people and other peoples property to potential harm. They were exposing themselves to harm that would very likely cost someones insurance company a LOT of money, money that we all ultimately pay. They were adding to the stress level of everyone trying to move through traffic. And what of the motorist who takes out one of these guys? Even if it was not his fault, his day is certainly ruined. Hes going to suffer through the trauma of watching someone come to harm and the ordeal of the aftermath in the legal and insurance systems. If the motorist has a shred of humanity, hes going to feel some guilt, no matter where legal fault lies. Though knowing what these guys are deliberately choosing to do, I would certainly try not to feel too bad if one came to harm against the side of my car, assuming Im not at fault. In fact, no matter what came of him, Id hold him accountable for the slightest scratch on my fender. All arguments that these guys know what they are doing, fall on my deaf ears. You can tell me that guys like this only come to harm when someone else screws up, but thats BS. Guys like this get hurt all the time and I dont care if it is usually, or even always, the other guys fault. Its truly infantile to expect that everyone else will be looking out for some yahoo moving trough traffic between cars 20 mph faster than everyone else. Even if such behavior was supported by the traffic code, and I doubt it is, and even if the only way he can get hurt is if someone else violates the code, its still expecting too much for too little up side. Whats the up side? Bragging rights? Infinitesimal improvements to courier productivity? Cops can engage in high speed chases within the letter of they law, but they've learned by experince that the laws of physics dictate that it is rarely worth the risk. Its not like these guys are hunting squirrels in Central Park with high powered rifles, but in terms of being oblivious to collateral impacts, these guys are headed in that direction. What they are doing isnt enough to make me say that theyre major a-holes, but I do think theyre being just a bit egocentric. Ill stand by that judgment. Tom Dalton Bethlehem, PA
Ben Kamenjas wrote:
On 09/02/2006, at 1:10 PM, Tom Dalton of Bethlehem, PA wrote:
>
> Many of these "professional cyclists" show up to the T-town swap
> each October and drive up the street value of track parts. The steet
> value of most controlled substances probably drops throughout the
> Lehigh Valley at the same time. I mean, look at the video, they MUST
> be on drugs.
>
Ummmm ..... 6 cats going bezerk in NYC makes you pass judgement on so many. Shame really, many of the type of cyclists to whom you refer really love the same old bikes and parts as we do. Their enthusiasm and knowledge for stuff that is older than their short years deserves a nod
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