It did get a bit spirited. I have not yet forgotten that these are just old bikes - a wonderful extension of my childhood. We did learn a bunch about Campy/Colnago Mexico cranks though. At the risk of starting a whole new donnybrook I'm going to have to admit that I have a beat up set of cranks and a Dremel and I'm thinking of making a set. Me bad. Rodney Handsfield, Wichita