RE: [CR]Caution! Look closely at the chrome Paramount item #7223752937 being offered on E-Bay

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From: Tom Sanders <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Phil Sieg'" <triodelover@comcast.net>, "'Jerome & Elizabeth Moos'" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [CR]Caution! Look closely at the chrome Paramount item #7223752937 being offered on E-Bay
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:35:28 -0500
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Sadly, it is still up even after three folks have reported it to E-Bay and it now has two bidders. Tom

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From: Phil Sieg [mailto:triodelover@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:54 AM To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos Cc: Tom Sanders; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Caution! Look closely at the chrome Paramount item #7223752937 being offered on E-Bay

Jerry et al,

Most of these hijacks we have outed have been fairly obvious. All have a couple of things in common:

* low- or no-feedback seller

* one-day auctions

* payment by direct wire transfer.

In addition, discrepancies about the location of the seller and location of the item have been noted. Yesterday Peter's rip-off was in China. Today's seller has a UK e-mail addy while selling a bike in Oklahoma.

One more thing they have in common is their general incompetence as con artists. Who gets taken in by these, anyway? I doubt it would pass the smell test for even a moderately web-savvy teenager. It's not like the costume jewelry con profiled in the NY times a couple of weeks back.

Most legitimate new sellers in our area of interest that I've noted lately tend to run their auctions for the usual 5 to 7 days. Most have gotten hip to Paypal, although a few Luddites remain. And most start out small, for the very reason you point out - they need to build up feedback. People will take a chance more readily on a $25 item - or even a $100 one - than they will when things move into four figures.

FWIW, I think extensive positive feedback as a buyer would provide reassurance to most people.

Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:

More likely someone hijacked John's auction. This kind of thing is getting out of hand on eBay. The sad thing is, what is a legitimate new seller to do? If you have not yet established feedback, lots of buyers will avoid you, suspecting you are one of these crooks. Since I never sell on eBay, I suppose if I did, no one would bid except maybe list members, unless my extensive feedback as a buyer were enough to reassure bidders. And those entirely new to eBay don't even have that. Too bad a few crooks have to screw things up for so many others, but I guess that story is as old as the human race.

Regards,

Jerry Moos

Big Spring, TX

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Phil Sieg
Knoxville, Tennessee