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> 1. RE: Norris' report about the 1953 Ellis-Briggs "Superbe"
> (bit_eimer)
> 2. Re: GC 537 MC62
> 3. eBay outing: Bottecchia AD (Dave Abraham)
> 4. Re: Legnano Gran Premio
> 5. Beware - Shameless ebay promotion
> 6. re Bottom Bracket question follow up
> 7. BB Shell damage; now more frame damage. (Michael Wilkinson)
> 8. Re: Legnano Gran Premio (Nick Zatezalo)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:41:49 -0700
> From: "bit_eimer" <bit_eimer@cox.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Norris' report about the 1953 Ellis-Briggs "Superbe"
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> Thanks Doug for that great discussion of lug punching. Can you tell me
> which, if any, of these cutouts were made from "the machine"?
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>
> To elaborate on Doug's mention of my visit to E-B in 1975:
>
> In 74/75 I was a senior in high school and looking to upgrade from my
> Dawes
> Galaxy (subsequently stolen, grrrr). My brother and I saw an article in
> a
> magazine about the wonderful frames done by Colin Laing in England. And
> since I was going to be doing a "student exchange" to England for a
> month, I
> wrote to him about the possibility of picking up a frame.
>
> Meanwhile, Laing had moved to Tucson, AZ, so after my letter was
> forwarded
> back over the pond, he responded that I should rather go to
> Ellis-Briggs. A
> few months ago, I was amazed to find that letter among my packed-up bike
> junk.
>
> So, that summer in England, despite my host family's misgivings, I
> hopped a
> train from London and made my way up to Shipley. There, because I was
> an
> American, I met Doug and got a tour of the works. The frame I purchased
> was
> light green with white panels. It had originally been destined for
> Pickering Cycles in Tucson (the shop that Laing had moved to), but
> Pickering
> had cancelled the order for lack of funds.
>
> I kinked the downtube on that frame on a ride from Pasadena up Mt Wilson
> while at college. Eventually, I had it repaired at E-B and repainted
> red/silver.
>
> Pics are here: http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>
> In '76, I ordered another frame from E-B, shown here:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>
> And then in '82, I had a matched set built (for me and my at-the-time
> girlfriend). She still has hers, though I would dearly love to
> reacquire
> it. :^) Mine is still being "reassembled" but a couple pics are here:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>
> ...Derek Davis Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:47:54 EST
> From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com
> To: BobHoveyGa@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org,
> hydelake@verizon.net
> Subject: [CR]Re: GC 537 MC62
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> Dan & Ed;
>
> I'm a bit behind in my listreading (more on the reason later, got some
cool
> news)... I wondered why the hit counter on my web page spiked.
>
> The date Ed gives for the Nervex lugs are probably right (though I've seen
a
>
> bike or two with them claiming to be a '65) but it should be kept in mind
th
> at
> for at least part of the time Faliero may have been offering them only as
an
>
> option... for a while I was under the impression that all production
switche
> d
> to the Nervex lugs, but at least one Masi ad (1964) has turned up that
offer
> s
> the buyer a choice, so there appears to be some evidence that long-point
> frames may have been produced thruout this period as well.
>
> Back to Carlsbad... traditionally, Reynolds was the standard flavor but
> Columbus could be had by special order. I've heard Mario would pick it
on
> his own
> for special frames he did... I guess he liked Columbus better or maybe he
> just wanted his frames to be different. Reynolds remained the tube of
choi
> ce,
> even after Carlsbad shut down, as you can see from Rob Roberson's build
list
>
> from The Ranch... he specified the tubes he used and I think Columbus ran
le
> ss
> than five percent.
>
> I agree, the corncob's gotta go, but your biggest priority should be to
give
>
> that handlebar wrap a decent burial. ;-)
>
> Bob Hovey
> Columbus, GA
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/29/06 9:24:28 PM, Dan writes:
>
>
> > I just received the shipment of a Masi GC that I found in a bike shop in
> > Lake Worth, a suburb of West Palm Beach in Florida. Its a beach bike w/
> > rust, but good paint and decals and it was cheap and everything works, a
> > great way to ride around on vacation, sorta like a rental, and then have
> > it shipped home. Serial number is 537 MC62, and I have a couple of
> > questions.
> >
> > Bob Hovey's site indicates that it's probably built around 1974. Dale's
> > site says that the frames were built with either Reynolds or Columbus
> > and that's what I'm trying to find out about mine. There's no tubing
> > sticker, but the fork legs seem to be more ovalized than I remember ever
> > seeing Columbus tubes. If it is Reynolds, when did they start to use
> > Colubus? I've also noticed that some of the Masis' on Dales site have
> > the fancy Nervex lugs. Was that a special item or was there a period
> > for them?
> >
> > It's 60 cm c-c and 58 cm c-c for the top tube, bigger than I usually
> > ride, but seems a perfect fit. Very comfortable, a real no hands
> > machine, lots of chain stay and well balanced in the turns with the
> > narrow clincher tires that came with it. Now I just haf'ta replace that
> > straight block!
> >
> > It can be seen at this address:
> > http://community.webshots.com/
> > Please excuse the fuzzier photos. I just unboxed it and its been a long
> > day. I will take some more.
> >
> > Happy trails,
> > Dan
> >
>
>
> Ed writes;
>
>
> I believe Brian B posted on this not long ago and opined that the period
> during which Masi used Nervex lugs was about 1960-64. Congrats on scoring
th
> e
> bike. While visiting Hovey's site, be sure to check out the photos of his
ne
> w
> Richard Moon frame: just awesome.
>
> Ed Granger
> Lancaster, PA, USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:10:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Dave Abraham" <dave@hokiespokes.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]eBay outing: Bottecchia AD
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> #6618023512
>
>
http://ebay.com/
>
>
> Dave Abraham
> New Wheel ~ Hokie Spokes
> Beautiful SW VA
> voice: (540) 731-1211
>
> "Treating every bike like our own.."
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:19:53 EST
> From: Hughethornton@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Legnano Gran Premio
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>
> I have a Legnano Roma and a Gran Premio of almost the same age - 1960-63 -
> and both have Record derailleurs and Record hubs (engraved Campagnolo, not
> Legnano) and Universal brakes. The biggest difference in equipment is
that the
> Gran Premio has a steel Legnano branded crankset, whereas the Roma has a
> Campy Record unit, and a plain seatpost instead of a Campy one. However,
the
> most significant difference is the frame, although they look nearly
identical -
> the Gran Premio is heavier and takes a 26.4mm dia seat post: the Roma
takes
> 27.0. I think that Romas were mostly 531 or Columbus, whereas the GP
mostly
> used Falck tubing. The GP was an adequate race bike, the Roma better.
>
> Hugh Thornton
> Cheshire, England
>
> In a message dated 30/03/2006 16:21:30 GMT Standard Time,
> alfredo.marcantonio@btinternet.com writes:
>
> Hi All
>
> What's the difference between a Legnano Roma and a Gran Premio?
>
> Also any idea when steel Legnano panto'd hubs started and aluminium
> ones took over, or did they run
>
> concurrently?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> PS. Any CR folk going to the Ripley Bike Jumble on Saturday?
>
> Alfredo Marcantonio
> Twickenham Middlesex
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:36:58 -0500 (EST)
> From: wheelman@nac.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Beware - Shameless ebay promotion
> Message-ID: <45845.146.152.216.2.1143747418.squirrel@webmail.nac.net>
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>
> I have no axe to grind here either way but I do know that there are folks
> on this forum who take their restorations very seriously. They desire it
> to be as near original as possible. The problem is that one cannot
> transfer this information using the Vulcan mind meld. One must be exact in
> their requirements when contracting the business. Part of my real job is
> to review contracts for a large company to assure what was ordered is what
> is delivered. If a contract does not specifically outline what is required
> then it is not considered an important detail. Also using a term such as
> "restore to original" cannot substitute for a detailed list of
> specifications. As you can see by just reading this list, everyone has
> their own interpretation of what "Original" is. In fact I have been
> approached by several people in the past who told me that one or another
> of my items was restored incorrectly. Some have examples to prove their
> point while others merely use their tribal knowledge as their guide. I
> have also been treated to stories of which restorer pays attention to this
> type of detail and those who are careless and do not. Like any other
> business transaction where you have an exact idea of what you want, it
> must be communicated as such or you will most likely be disappointed. This
> way the person doing the restoration has the opportunity to ask clarifying
> questions, offer alternatives or just plain refuse the the job. It is
> difficult to take sides here because this was not malicious act near as I
> can tell. I do tend to side with a person who has paid for an item only to
> have it resold without permission. As ebay states, bidding on an item is a
> binding contract on both parties not just the buyer. There are legal
> remedies for non payment, non communications and other issues that may
> arise but they all use time as a boundary. Not sure enough time had passed
> here to have resold the item. Still as I say, no one tried to hurt anyone
> here so this can be a lesson to us all. Detail what you want in writing
> and be clear how important that is to you. Then if the work is accepted
> under that context it is a legal contract and there should be no ambiguity
> to discuss after that.
>
> Ray Homiski
> Elizabeth, NJ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:41:32 -0500
> From: mmeison@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]re Bottom Bracket question follow up
> Message-ID: <8C8224914F9F1CB-19A8-D32@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Before I take on much pain and suffering my next question.
> Can a Pista spindle (68 - P - 110 ) be used with the thick cups?
> Does it matter that the spindle is not rifled?
>
> thanks in advance,
> Marty Eison
> Frisco, Texas
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:56:20 -0700
> From: "Michael Wilkinson" <M4Campy@aol.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]BB Shell damage; now more frame damage.
> Message-ID: <000001c65434$04c093c0$1601a8c0@pengo>
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>
> I thought I had problems:
>
> http://www.humanpoweredtransport.net/
>
>
> Did anyone actually see these. Oh lord. Not sure what to think!
>
> Mike Wilkinson
> Castle Rock, CO
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:59:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Nick Zatezalo <nickzz@mindspring.com>
> To: Hughethornton@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Legnano Gran Premio
> Message-ID:
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> Message: 8
>
> The Roma had a longer slot below the binder bolt on the seat lug.
>
> The Roma usually had better components and tubing; although
> 531, Columbus, & Falck could be found on both models.
>
> The head tube lugs might also be subtly different.
>
> Nick Zatezalo
> Atlanta,Ga
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Hughethornton@aol.com
> >Sent: Mar 30, 2006 2:19 PM
> >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: Re: [CR]Legnano Gran Premio
> >
> >
> >I have a Legnano Roma and a Gran Premio of almost the same age -
1960-63 -
> >and both have Record derailleurs and Record hubs (engraved Campagnolo,
not
> >Legnano) and Universal brakes. The biggest difference in equipment is
that the
> >Gran Premio has a steel Legnano branded crankset, whereas the Roma has a
> >Campy Record unit, and a plain seatpost instead of a Campy one. However,
the
> >most significant difference is the frame, although they look nearly
identical -
> >the Gran Premio is heavier and takes a 26.4mm dia seat post: the Roma
takes
> >27.0. I think that Romas were mostly 531 or Columbus, whereas the GP
mostly
> >used Falck tubing. The GP was an adequate race bike, the Roma better.
> >
> >Hugh Thornton
> >Cheshire, England
> >
> >In a message dated 30/03/2006 16:21:30 GMT Standard Time,
> >alfredo.marcantonio@btinternet.com writes:
> >
> >Hi All
> >
> >What's the difference between a Legnano Roma and a Gran Premio?
> >
> >Also any idea when steel Legnano panto'd hubs started and aluminium
> >ones took over, or did they run
> >
> >concurrently?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >PS. Any CR folk going to the Ripley Bike Jumble on Saturday?
> >
> >Alfredo Marcantonio
> >Twickenham Middlesex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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