I guess you have to define art. To me, if something is pleasing to the eye, that makes me look at it from different angles and perspectives, then it classifies as art. It might be a building, a bicycle, a masterpiece portrait, or a beautiful woman. I do believe bike frames are more than functional. If I wanted something that was only functional, why in the world would I pay more dollars to get fancy lugs, done just right, or superb paint? Just my three cents. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
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-----Original Message----- From: Wspokes <wspokes@penn.com> To: 'CR List' <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:50:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [CR]Art & Bicycles
Actually Robert...you have a good point there...delta brakes in their lovely appearance are quite better at art than function...my friend affectionately called them speed adjusters. But seriously...
Art or bicycle...we are back to the debate that has erupted before on several lists, is a bicycle art or function. It appears to always come down to personal opinion with each individual. I serve up my plate as function and fun. When I cross that line of function and fun combined into something that looks good but "will I really use it" or is it really something I just want to keep around...I usually sell it knowing it is worth more to me that way than just sitting...but this is all personal opinion and probably not always the best but I can live with my decisions for the most part. Which is why many of my bicycles are probably off topic or classic hotrods so to speak...I don't stick to a theme of consistency where the back dates to the perfect year...or adheres to the perfect rebuild of an exact replica. I find a frameset that is classic...something that is appealing to me...and I set it up for myself and ride.
Walter Skrzypek Falls Creek, Pa http://www.fixedgearhooligans.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert D. Dayton,Jr." <rdayton@carolina.rr.com>
To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>; "'CR List'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: [CR]Art & Bicycles
> Campagnolo C-Record was art.
> Especially the Cobalto brake with the bedazzling blue jewel.
> I still like to look at Delta brakes.
> OK maybe not art.
> But major style points.
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: [CR]Art & Bicycles
>
> Nick Zatezalo wrote:
>>
>> When/Why did you begin to look upon a bicycle as art?
>>
>> What am I missing, I have yet to see them as art?
>>
>> Nick Zatezalo
>> Atlanta,Ga
>
>
> I think art is too strong a word Nick, although I have seen bicycles
> viewed as fine art over the years... Antonio Columbo (owns Cinelli, 3ttt
> etc) has commissioned many fine artists to interpret the bike (hint,
> most were unrideable.)
>
> But bicycles could certainly be viewed as industrial art and if you are
> aware of some of the different art movements... Art Nouveau, Art Deco,
> Bauhaus, Streamline/Moderne, Post-Modern, Dada etc. you can see some of
> those influences in the design of the lugwork, parts and graphics of the
> bicycle.
>
> Anyone else...
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
> http://www.velo-retro.com
>
> "The bicycle is the most civilized conveyance known to man. Other forms
> of
> transport grow daily more nightmarish. Only the bicycle remains pure in
> heart."
> --Iris Murdoch
>
> .