> Hello all,
I don't usually post to this bike list, but it was pointed out that there was some discussion of my Ebay auction here, and I wanted to get some answers. I don't much care for being called a liar and profiteer behind my back, and so I am posting the letter I received from Craig Fenstermaker and Brian Baylis concerning the Masi. It was based on this letter that I decided to go ahead and pay Brian $1400 to restore the frame. I am absolutely STUNNED that Brian now denies any of this, when they clearly spelled out almost word for word everything I have said about the frame.
I am not trying to make any misrepresentations, I am only telling people what Brian told me. If any of this is untrue, it calls into question Brian's ethtics, not mine. I have always admired Mr. Baylis' craftwork, but find his reaction befuddling to say the least!
Thanks all,
-Mark Flaming, San Rafael, CA
Return-path: <kleggo@adelphia.net> Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by sutter.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.0.6) with ESMTP id <B0000846815@mailsrv01.sutter.com> for <mark@sutter.com>; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:14:12 -0700 Received: from mine ([24.52.213.66]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040804041313.KIGC26966.mta11.adelphia.net@mine>; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:13:13 -0400 From: "craig f" <kleggo@adelphia.net> To: <mark@sutter.com> Cc: <brianbaylis@juno.com> Subject: your masi has been received by vintage cycle studios Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:12:59 -0700 Message-ID: <MABBICNOMOBIFJDLNALMEECACBAA.kleggo@adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
greetings i am writing to let you know that we have received your masi.
we have completed our initial inspection and have discovered; 1) this is an unusual bike, it does not follow any s/n system that brian or i am familiar with. 2) it had columbus record chainstays instead of the standard chainstays. 3) it has lead a hard life, lottsa rust and several dents / dings / previous repairs
1 & 2 leads us to believe that this might have been a masi employee's bike originally, or perhaps it was built for a friend of mario's.
we understand that you want the bike returned to original condition. we feel that this can be done, but first we need a bit of direction from you. the beautifully chromed fork has been modified to use recessed allen nut brakes rather than the standard brakes. you can either used the fork as is with modern brakes or we can put the fork back to original condition. this requires stripping of the old chrome, modifying the fork crown, repolishing the crown and rechroming the fork. this will cost $150 - $175 depending upon the amount of polishing required.
the brake bridge on the frame has been likewise modified. again you have the option of keeping it as is, or we can put it back to original condition, ~ $25.
below is a repair / repaint estimate 1) remove TT guides $30 2) remove DT shift bosses $20 3) remove front derailleur hanger $10 4) remove BB cable guides $20 5) remove incorrect derailleur stop $10 6) install correct derailleur stop in correct position $25 7) install BB cable guides $30 8) repair rust, ( please call for details) $135 * 9) paint $400 10) decal application $75 11) detail paint $25
total = $980 if we redo the fork and frame brake issue
note, we have not yet stripped the paint from the frame. until we do so, we can not provide an iron clad estimate for rust damge repair. Please call for further details.
.
this is quite an interesting bike with an usual build and s/n. well worth restoring to original condition in my opinion. standard masi colors for this era bike are
orange / red the breaking away color turquoise blue silver metallic grey metallic champagne metallic light blue metallic dark blue metallic
they were not available with white / cream panels/
One of Vintage Cycle Studio's policies is to expect a 50% deposit for work prior to initiation. Brian did not have this policy unless chroming was involved, but he now recognizes that it is necessary to do so to run the business efficiently. i would appreciate it if you could forward a check for $500 to us in the next 10 days at the following address so that we can begin working on your bike.
Vintage Cycle Studios 1997 Friendship Dr Suite E El Cajon, CA 92020
craig fenstermaker president, ceo and sanding detritus floor sweeper vintage cycle studios 1997 friendship drive suite e el cajon, ca 92020
619.449.5977 ---
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> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Two Masi bikes for sale on iBOB
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:59:15 -0700
>
> Good for you Brian.
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates, CA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <brianbaylis@juno.com>
> To: <youngc@ptd.net>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Two Masi bikes for sale on iBOB
>
>
> > Charlie,
> >
> > Thanks for pointing the Masis out. I do have something to say
> about the
> > GC for sale that the seller is using my name to make some claims
> about.
> > To those who know a lot about Masis, it should be obvious that
> the selle
> > r is claiming things that are not true about the bike. I said no
> such th
> > ing about Confente special build or anything else. There was some
> questi
> > on as to what the serial number of the bike was. That often times
> sugges
> > ts a down tube replacement. Don't know if one had been done
> before, but
> > I put in a new down tube because when I removed the improper
> shifter lev
> > er brazeons from the frame the tubes was cracked on both sides;
> caused b
> > y poor braze on work. Furthermore, the bike had been completely
> chrome p
> > lated and then stripped of the aftermarket chrome, which is how
> it arriv
> > ed at my place. This bike was one step away from death. I saved
> it's lif
> > e and made it look like new only with a ton of work. My
> understanding wa
> > s the owner intended to keep the bike, not try to pass ot off on
> eBay fo
> > r reduculous money by making claims about what it isn't, when
> what it is
> > is quite different. This annoys me tremendously. I dopn't rescue
> the ba
> > sket cases so that people can off them. I was told there was
> sentimental
> > value in this bike and that the supreme effort to save it was
> worth it,
> > etc.
> >
> > I'm really sorry I have to do this from time to time, but I
> simply can n
> > ot allow people to make such claims using my name to give
> credibility to
> > obvious fabrications.
> >
> > Brian Baylis
> > La Mesa, CA
> >
> >
> >
> > -- "Charles T. Young" <youngc@ptd.net> wrote:
> > Recognizing that there are a few Masi fans on the CR list, I thought
> >
> > that the following FS post might be of interest to those taller
> folks
> >
> > who don't also subscribe to the internetBOB list. I do not know the
> >
> > seller (or Mr Confrente) but suspect that BB may be able to fill
> in some
> >
> >
> > details...
> >
> > Charlie Young
> > Honey Brook, PA
> >
> >
> > Subject: [BOB] Old MASIs for sale
> >
> > I usually don't post for sale stuff on the list, but if anyone is
> >
> > interested I'm selling Two MASI's.
> >
> > One is a 62cm MASI 3V that has been converted into a Fixed/single
> >
> > with mustache bars. Campy record brakes, 105 crank and IRO flip
> flop
> >
> > hubs.
> >
> > http://www.sutter.com/
> >
> > The second is a rare Confrente built 62cm MASI from around 1972. I
> >
> > had Brian Baylis do a complete restoration on the frame. He told me
> >
> > that it was even more rare than usual in that A) the serial number
> >
> > did not fall into any of the usual schemes meaning it was probably
> >
> > built for an employee or a friend of Confrente, and B) the frame was
> >
> > built with super record dropouts and chainstays... much higher
> >
> > quality than the NR parts used on production bikes. The group is
> >
> > mostly Campagnolo NR parts, high flange campy hubs with clincher
> >
> > rims, SR brake levers and Nitto Stem and Bars for comfort. This
> bike
> >
> > rides phenomenally well, the paint is mint, and it's a useable bike.
> >
> > I hate to let her go, but I really need some cash for other
> >
> > projects.. I'd love for a fellow BOB to have her....
> >
> >
> > http://www.sutter.com/
> >
> >
> > Asking $2500 obo.
> >
> > -Mark Flaming
> > San Rafael, CA
> > ------------------------------