DALE ,HI , going to add my two pennies worth, what is really so wrong here???, surely a guy can describe his property in whatever way he so desires using whatever workspeak way he thinks will add to his sale AS LONG AS ITS ACCURATE, .... .you don't like it, so look past it . come on guys, De Rosa in whatever clothes is still a soul machine and KOF cut the guy some slack... ? willie carton ,coleraine northern ireland... where its now 22 deg and sultry.
oroboyz@aol.com wrote: Hi ho Frank:
Great point, I agree perhaps I was a bit over-enthusiastic in my Magni sale description! However, I will defend what I said as being accurate, if some what wordy. But I agree that wordiness that be a bit obnoxious too! Ha!
To get technical with your sale description;
You said "truly unique" and that is conjecture on your part. While you may have never seen another of that description, you could have more accurately said; "I haven't seen another like it", rather that flatly stating it was "truly unique".
In addition, you wrote "...fully lugged with the famous and revered DeRosa lugs." Revered? OK... but a bit hyperbolic, IMO.
All of this should not be taken too seriously, except that sellers should not be surprised if readers get a bit peevish when we hammer the advertising with too heavy blows! I certainly will be more careful with my writing! I hope you will too.
Cheers, Dale
Dale Brown Greensboro, NC USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com
-----Original Message----- From: Retrofan531 To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:16:03 -0500 Subject: [CR]RE: FS: 54cm DeRosa Super Prestige frame and fork
SNIPPED: 2. Frank does distinctly engage in hyperbole in his For Sale notice, the forced superlatives of which might be appropriate for the less sophisticated Ebay customer, but are a bit hard to take here on the CR-list. Maybe a bit less hype would encourage fewer retorts? :)
Dale Brown Greensboro, NC USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com ================ Dale,
While this is your list and I am but a free-loading guest, I would attempt to have this same discussion if we were face-to-face.
You state that I "distinctly engage in hyperbole in his For Sale notice, the forced superlatives of which might be appropriate for the less sophisticated Ebay customer, but are a bit hard to take here on the CR-list. Maybe a bit less hype would encourage fewer retorts? :)"
I stated in the listing "What an opportunity to own a truly unique frameset!". As stated earlier, I have never in my many years of bike interest seen a DeRosa Super Prestige painted in this exact color scheme, and evidently neither has my more esteemed fellow list member Lou Deeter (who by the way used to have a red white and blue Spectrum he rode on the 4th of July).
Dale, perhaps you could do me a favor and point out to me what portion of this for sale listing is hyperbole, which is defined as "an extravagant exaggeration used as a figure of speech." Is this the sentence, "What an opportunity to own a truly unique frameset!", that you refer to as the "hyperbole"? If so, where is the extravagant exaggeration in that statement?
I dare say there is less salesmanship in my listing than in your very own recent for sale listing for a Magni-Ferrari where you claimed "This is a very desirable, infrequently seen, top model from Switzerland in splendid, verging on showroom condition. Workmanship, dare I say, superior to many if not most marques discussed here on the CR? Please look at the photos. With a little spit & polish, this could be a Concours winner as well."
I am not criticizing your choice of words for your for sale posting, as I be lieve it is through our descriptions of our bikes that the passion we have for these older lugged bikes shows so strongly, but perhaps "hyperbole" is in the eye of the beholder.
While I am on this topic, let me say that Maaslands's comment seemed to me to serve no positive purpose. If he had a question as to what I saw in this DeRosa that made it unique, he could have sent me an e-mail rather than just posting a snippy note to the list. Or, he could have at least copied me on the note asking for me to provide my rationale, but he didn't do that either. Absent that, I replied on-list and now you replied on-list and now I am replying on-list, all probably to the benefit of nobody. Maybe we can all agree that if we have a question about someone's choice of words, we could contact them privately for an explanation.
Frank Phillips McAlester, OK
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