Fastback design, yes, but this looks to be an unpainted frame (clearcoat and candy only), and there's no sign of a brazing fillet at the seat tube. If you look carefully at the rear dropouts, you'll see the thin ring of (darker colored) brazing material where the stays were slipped *over* the dropouts and were then ground/filed to look like a tube again. If I were to place a bet, I'd wager that the seat cluster was done the same way...an internal extension of a cast lug (and there'd be a visible ring on the seatstays where the brazing material was flowed in.
Has anybody seen one of these in the flesh to verify the actual attachment method? Did any earlier builders use this shortcut, or did it make the lug too complex?
Cheers,
Scott Minneman San Francisco, CA
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Jerome & Elizabeth Moos Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:10 PM To: john@os2.dhs.org; Classic Rendezvous Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay: 2000 Olmo Lugged Colum. Thoron Frame...seat stay Q
The Raleigh Pro used such fastback stays for several years circa 1975. I believe the Raleigh catalogs called them "Brampton Direct Seat Stays". Made for a beatiful frame, especially in mink blue and silver, at least to my eye. I lusted after a Raleigh Pro like that, but couldn't afford it In The Day. Finally obtained one, thanks to Pergo, a couple of years ago.
Regards,
Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX
John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com> wrote:
Don Wilson wrote:
> If its on topic, someone look at the seat stay at the seat cluster and
> tell me how they get that effect? It is such a fluid transition from
> seat cluster to seat stay that it looks as if they are one piece. Neat
> effect and elegant aesthetically.
> 130012310477
That's the traditional "fastback" stay attachment. The stay ends are mitered to fit against the seat lug, brazed into place and carefully filed.
Here's another variation, incorporating the seat post binder bolt:
http://www.os2.dhs.org/
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John (john@os2.dhs.org)
Appleton WI USA