Re: [CR]RE: [Bicycle_Restoration] Larz Anderson Bicycle Show update

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:45:19 -0400
From: "Norm and Val Lafleur" <nvlafleur@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]RE: [Bicycle_Restoration] Larz Anderson Bicycle Show update
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I have to chime in here and say that I agree with Sheldon, but first a disclaimer. Larz Anderson is a wonderful show and provides a rare opportunity for those of us in the Northeast to meet like minded cyclists. Also, including a vintage ride is a nice extra. The folks that give their time to organize events like this get my respect and thanks.

That said, I have been thinking about the ride and why I will skip it this year. My reaction was that it felt like an urban cyclocross and while I don't object to dirt, rocks, roots and the occasional curb jump I did find the Paul Dudley White bike path to be a problem. The volume of walkers, runners, roller bladers and slower recreational cyclists made it dificult to ride as a group and felt like an accident waiting to happen. I felt the same way on the pedestrian overpasses which I assume were over Storrow drive and Charles St. When the group stopped for coffee on Charles St. I was eager to get back to the show so I skipped the coffee and joined two other riders ( Mark Poorer and Dan Borden? ) and rode back via Beacon St., Kenmore Sq., and Brookline Ave. This turned out to be my favorite part of the ride. The streets of Boston are empty of traffic on Sunday morning and I thought it was an abosolute blast to ride streets that on a weekday would be lethal...maybe I was indulging a bike messenger fantasy...but I felt safer on the streets of Boston than I did in the parks and on the bike path.

The volunteers who put this event should take this as one rider's opinion and not a crticism of their efforts. However, listening to different views might create ideas to tweak the the ride and enhance the overall experience.

Norm Lafleur
Ashfield, Ma.


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Naiman
To: "Barbour, Christopher"


<Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: "Sheldon Brown" <captbike@sheldonbrown.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [CR]RE: [Bicycle_Restoration] Larz Anderson Bicycle Show update


> Chris; I respect Sheldon and his opinions, but wish if he had a complaint
> or opinion on the ride and its route, it should directed to either the
> Museum of Transportation, myself or Maurice Bresnahan. I'm not aware of
> any complaints on the ride from the last few years, and have only heard
> compliments in years past. I'm talking to a few different people to head
> up the ride this year and it is a possibility to change the route.
>
> Sheldon, if you have any suggestions I'm listening !!
>
> Peter Naiman
> Glendale, WI
>
>
> "Barbour, Christopher" <Christopher.Barbour@tufts.edu> wrote:
> Sheldon Brown wrote:
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> David Toppin asked:
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>>How long is that ride in miles?
>
> I did this ride last year, and won't be doing it again.
> Unfortunately a very large amount of the route is on narrow urban
> bike/pedestrian paths, really not suitable for group riding. One
> section led us over a narrow, pedestrian-only boardwalk that was half
> fallen into the water of Jamaica Pond. I found it quite scary.
>
> It's unfortunate, because there is excellent road riding in the
> vicinity of the Larz Anderson, if you head southwest through
> Brookline, Dedham, Newton, but this ride chose to head into the urban
> congestion of Boston and Cambridge.
>
> Sheldon "Roads" Brown
> Newtonville
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> In the past two years that I have led this ride with my friend Jack
> Demarest, we have received many compliments on the route from
> participants who enjoyed themselves. Of course an Emerald Necklace ride
> is by definition an urban ride, but contrary to heading into congestion,
> most of the ride is off auto roads, and this has facilitated
> conversation and intermittent riding in pairs. A ride to the suburbs
> would necessitate cycling in single file amidst a stream of cars and
> SUVs, making for a much less convivial tour. Many would agree that
> Olmsted's parks are splendid scenery, and find the shaded, unpaved
> carriage paths along the Muddy River to be delightful riding. The
> organizers of the event are to be commended for wishing to show visitors
> some of the best of Boston's sights.
>
>
>
> The trails around Willow and Ward's Ponds are a favorite little
> diversion of city cyclists who enjoy a bit of off-road work when time
> does not permit ranging farther afield. The short loop around Ward's
> Pond (not Jamaica Pond, closed to cyclists) is an easy woodland trail
> open to bikes and practicable for road bikes with sensible tires; I
> don't know about it being scary, but it has been common to see cyclists
> there, even before the repair a year ago of the boardwalk on the south
> side of the little pond. There is an option of a short, exhilarating
> drop to a ford across the stream feeding the pond, whereas less
> experienced off-roaders can exit the area on the high path. My daughter
> executed this crossing at nine years of age on her Raleigh Spacerider,
> and the ford elicited many smiles and favorable comments on the Museum
> show ride in 2004. Several of last year's participants asked to repeat
> that part of the route, and surely the V-CC members' bikes were the only
> ones ever to sport mud at the Larz Anderson show. The floods of October
> 15, 2005 unfortunately eroded the stream bed, and further flooding on
> May 13 of this year might have rendered the ford unserviceable.
>
>
>
> Although it is not in my plans to attend this year, I would wager that
> the routes followed in the past two years were traversed by the ordinary
> in the 19th Century, with the exception of Ward's Pond, a three-minute
> sidetrack that one can take or leave according to his or his machine's
> abilities. See for instance "A Wheel Around the Hub," Scribner's
> Monthly, February, 1880. If the ordinary comes to town in a truck,
> perhaps there is room also for a safety, to cover all possibilities? To
> go to a cycling event and have no ride would be the waste of a good day.
>
>
>
> Christopher Barbour
>
> Boston, Mass.
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> http://www.v-ccnewengland.blogspot.com