I would say that you wouldn't have to look far from this list to find a LOT of those frames. Many of us have more than ten bikes resting in our sheds, garages, and houses. I don't have one of Doug Fattic's but I lusted after them after seeing an article in one of the magazines in the 80s. Some of us know a non-listmember in Southern California who doesn't ride who owns four Brian Baylis or Baylis/Howard-made Wizard frames. Go to Velo Rendezvous in about two months and you'll see them. Two years ago, I don't think even Brian knew where they were and one of them is the first frame he made after he left Masi (or maybe even while he was there). Final comment, the frames at my house aren't dying. They get to party a few times each year. I think the same can be said for Dale's. He lets them out for fresh air every once in awhile, although most of the ones mentioned have never felt the rush of the wind on a curvy, rolling hill in North Carolina. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL