Of course. The frame was made to commemorate the Moscow Olympics in 1980 so it is obviously post '80. That makes complete sense. That train of thought had crossed my mind but quickly left for some reason.
I took some additional detail photos (with bad lighting) showing the lugs, etc. You can see them here:
http://sports.webshots.com/
The 'tails' on the lugs don't appear to be as long as the ones on Ray
Dobbins' San Cristóbal (http://www.raydobbins.com/ciocc/photos/ photo25.html) but they do seem to have more tail than most - I won't bring up any Darwinian references here....
Your comments are welcome.
Mark Buswell San Francisco, CA
P.S. What is the braze-on on the rear seatstay in the last picture for?:
http://sports.webshots.com/
On Sep 19, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Mark Bulgier wrote:
>
> Mark Buswell asks:
>
>> Am I silly
>> to think that the Mockba 80 ISN't from 1980? From what I've
>> found, these were put on the market in approx. 1980 and
>> production continued for a few or more years.
>
> Well, I worked in a shop that sold the Ciocc "San Cristóbal" model
> in the early 80s, which name commemorated the 1977 world
> championships in Venezuela. Since you can't really commemorate
> something that hasn't happened yet, I'd guess the Mockba '80 came
> out at least a little after the Moscow Olympics. Just a guess though.
>
> The San Cristóbal had lug points that tapered down, normally at
> first, but then when they were about 1.5 or 2 mm wide, they went
> parallel, so there was this very thin sort of tail on the lugs.
> Unique and cool, kind of a framebuilder show-off move because the
> thin tail would be hard to not overheat if you were in a hurry when
> brazing. Also more difficult to shape the lugs that way. Some
> Ciocc frames I saw years later didn't have that, and the brand lost
> some interest for me for it. (There were other concessions to semi-
> mass-production too, not just the taillessness)
>
> Do your Mockba '80 lugs have tails? I think I see one on the
> downtube lug. Probably very similar to the San Cristóbal.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle WA USA
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