This was just a coincidence, but amazing. Last night, another listmember from Mechanicsburg PA told me about finding a John Hollands bike locally. Then, this morning, we have a question to the list about a J.A. Holland. I've now seen pictures of the J.A. Holland and it is definitely before John Holland started building. What are the odds that two listmembers from the same town would be asking about a similarly named framebuilder within 24 hours of one another?? Lou Deeter, Orlando FL