Re: [CR]Gillott gears

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In-Reply-To: <C1250327.5DF48%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
From: "neil foddering" <neilfoddering@hotmail.com>
To: hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk, simonandonandon@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Gillott gears
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:49:43 +0000


Simon,

I've recently set up a Juy 51 rear derailleur on my 1953 Gillott Taper Tube, using the instructions which Hilary kindly copied to me a while ago. If you go to: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v396/hadendowa/Gillott%20Taper%20Tube/ you will see a photo of the derailleur and cable arrangement.

As far as the front derailleur is concerned, I believe that my W P Newton would originally have had the Juy 53, which is prohibitively expensive now. (The rear derailleur is a Simplex Grand Tourisme, with the double Simplex derailleur lever operating on the right hand side of the frame - I would expect the front to have been Simplex also).

When I bought the Newton, however, it was fitted with a Benelux front derailleur, operating from the right like the Juy 53. It changes very well, especially considering the difference between the chainwheels, which are 44 and 28 teeth. I've seen a couple of these Beneluxes sell for not a great deal of money - if I remember rightly, a NOS one went for about £25 to £35 - and it could tide you over until a suitable Juy 53 became available.

Refer to: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v396/hadendowa/Benelux/ for photos of the front changer, and: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v396/hadendowa/W%20P%20Newton/ for photos of it on my Newton.

If you want to contact me re setting up the derailleur, please do so off list.

Neil Foddering Weymouth, Dorset, England


>From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: simon bird <simonandonandon@yahoo.com>,<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Gillott gears
>Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:58:47 +0100
>
>I have the Simplex Juy-51 instructions as a PDF document which I will mail
>to you, Simon tomorrow. The second cable normally runs inside the same piec
>e
>of outer that the main cable runs in (its an extra thin inner wire) and
>attaches to the main gear wire with a solderless nipple in front of the
>chainstasy stop. The braze-on for the dble lever is exactly the same as for
>the single Simplex lever.
>
>Hilary Stone, Bristol, Great Britain
>
> > From: simon bird <simonandonandon@yahoo.com>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:26:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]Gillott gears
> >
> > Hello,
> > I am slowly ressurecting a 1952 Gillott Connoisseur.
> > I know from the double cable guide on the right side of the bottom
>bracke
>t
> > that it would have had a Simplex double lever and one of the expensive
>an
>d so
> > unobtainable Simplex front derailleurs.I think the models are Juy 53 and
>56.
> > I've got hold of a Juy 51 for the rear which i think would be correct.
> > I'm not sure how to set up the Juy 51. I know it uses a double cable but
>I'm
> > not sure where it attaches -on the chainstay stop? if anyone has a
>drawin
>g,
> > instructions or a link to a clear photo I would be most grateful.
> > Also, although I'm unlikely to be able to afford a correct front
>deraille
>ur
> > anytime soon, I would like to get the correct levers, or at least the
>cor
>rect
> > braze-on before I get the frame re-finished. The frame came to me having
>had
> > the brazed on shifter boss mostly hacked off, is the braze on for the
>Sim
>plex
> > double lever different to that for the single? and if so does anyone
>have
> one
> > they might be able to sell me?
> >
> > If any one has any pointers for other original equipment please let me
>kn
>ow. I
> > have a set or GB coureur brakes and a GB '531' stem and bars, also a
>pair
> of
> > large flange Harden gear-sided hubs. I've been told that a Magistroni or
> > Gnutti chainset with Simplex 3-6 addapters and rings would probably have
>been
> > fitted originaly.
> >
> > I hope one of the learned can help,
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Simon Bird in Peckham South East London a 3 minute walk from where the
>Gi
>llott
> > was made and sold.
> >
> >
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>ra

>tes.