self@fuse.net wrote:
> This is my own listing - I'm selling it for a friend. When I discussed the
> frameset with her, she said she bought it new in about 1983. I listed it as an
> 83(?). The only obvious number stamped on the frame is an M2 stamped on the
> right rear dropout.
>
> Someone (a CR member ?) emailed & said they thought it was earlier (74-77).
> Their comments about the cable guide treatment made sense so I listed their
> email in the auction & changed the dates.
>
> My Italian frame knowlege is close to zero (yes next time I'll do more
> homework). I'd appreciate it if someone could date this frame for me. Sorry if
> the webpage address is not in the correct format; this is the first time I've
> posted one of my own auctions on the list.
>
> Auction #230027771525
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Self
> Cincinnati, OH
>
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Mike,
I don't think it's earlier than '76. IIRC, that's when the two top tube braze-on cable guides were added. I have a '79 (based on the frame details and a Pat 79 RD, W4 stamped in the right rear drop-out) that has both the top tube guides and a fork crown that matches yours (also dates from around '75 or '76). However, the seat stay caps aren't engraved on mine and are more "spearpoint" in contour. In addition, I don't think the ST and DT transfers are correct for that frame date - possibly added after a respray at some point?
Phil Sieg
Knoxville, Tennessee
USA