Re: [CR]Ebay neglects to remove counterfeit Colnago

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:45:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay neglects to remove counterfeit Colnago
From: "Brandon Ives" <brandon@ivycycles.com>
To: "kim klakow" <Akimbo71@gmx.net>
cc: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net>
cc: Bianca Pratorius

I usually avoid these things, just delete and move on. Looking in the archive I didn't see any actual evidence presented. For some reason I looked at the auction and something clicked in my head. I've seen bikes like this before, both here in the U.S. and in Belgium. If folks are thinking that Colnago never made a budget bike you would be wrong.

This bike would date from the late-80s to early-90s. To my eyes the tubing decal looks correct. Also the seatstay caps and rear brake bridge look right too. During the time period this bike would have been built in road bikes constituted less than 10% of the bike sales worldwide. Older established companies made EVERYTHING just to stay in the game. I've owned 2 Cinelli mountain bikes in the early 90s.

Folks need to remember that Colnago is a BIG company not some small handful of guys making frames. Colnagos are mass produced on a large assembly line by a bunch guys and some robots. If you don't believe me download the video from Mark Bulgier's site <http://bulgier.net/vids/Bike/>. On a usual work day each of the stations on that frame and fork line would have a person on it.

Sure I'd like to see some better pictures, particularly of the bottom bracket shell and seatstay caps. Right now I don't see any true evidence that the bike isn't anything other than what the auction says. One of the lessons we learn here regularly is, 'Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it didn't exist.' If what you're familiar with is pre-'83 colnagos this does look like a strange duck. If, like me, you were working in shops during this period and saw the things these companies did to stay alive it doesn't seem so strange. best, Brandon"monkeyman"Ives Coeur d'Alene, ID.


> Hi Garth,
>
> A) ebay couldn't care less. They are in it for the money.
> B) If it says Colnago on the bike, why shouldn't it be one?
> C) If anybody wants to buy a Colnago, (s)he will know the difference. Some
> body who has no clue might not care. Ignorance is bliss.
> D) nobody is forced to buy.
> E) The bike does have a very intricate and neat paintjob.
>
> There are probably more arguments for both sides, but I don't feel as if I
> need to think of them. I like "D" the most, ...
> Ride on.
> kim
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:17:07 -0400
> Von: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@comcast.net>
> An: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Betreff: [CR]Ebay neglects to remove counterfeit Colnago
>
>> Ebay has been notified that a Colnago listed as #320027843492 is a
>> counterfeit. Other CR members have contacted Ebay in the past notifying
>> them that a particular listing is a duplicate from a previous listing.
>> I don't know why they are so slow in this case or in past cases. It
>> seems that if someone is clear in their evidence they should at least
>> be contacted back or an investigation should be initiated. I purpose
>> the same thing that many lists and message boards do, should be
>> instituted for the various departments of Ebay. A resident expert makes
>> quick, shoot from the hip decisions about say bicycle listings, and the
>> marketplace keeps its high comfort level.
>>
>> Garth Libre in Miami Fl.
>>
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