Re: [CR]Ebay Singer frame/fork: what vintage?

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From: <hersefan@comcast.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay Singer frame/fork: what vintage?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:58:56 +0000


I've emailed a few folks and something to the group, but debate still continues it seems...

I should keep quiet as it fits me and I'm tempted to go for it - but I really need to be purging. The frame as best as I can tell from the stinky small photos is the real deal - notice the proper finishing of the stays to the rear dropouts - it looks nice. The seatcluster looks great too. The serial number would place it around 1971 to 1972 ish. The rear rack attachment is consistent with a couple of other Cupertino Singers that Spence Wolf brought in at the time - interested parties might want to check with Vance at Cupertino to see if it is in his log. Singers such as these are a bit odd by French standards - i.e they often came with front racks that didn't have provision for fender mounting. This one has the mounts at the rear for the spiffy easy-to-remove rear rack - and one of these I once owned didn't seem to have provision for a front rack. All wrong by true french standards but such is life. And the ride - I'm sure its awful, terrible, probably too flexible, will s teer you into a ditch, will make you go slower than if you were walking backwards....after all, I said I might be bidding!!! And don't forget what a pain it is to make the rack (oh - dirty secret - most ANYBODY who can braze and that owns a vice and is capable of buying some pulleys at the hardware store can with some practice make a rack! - if I can do it you can do it too - it just takes time!)

Mike Kone in Boulder CO


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From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos

> So what's the consensus on this? Is it a "real" Singer? I seem to recall a

\r?\n> couple of weeks ago there was a thread about subcontracted Singers, or was that

\r?\n> Herse's?

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\r?\n> Regards,

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\r?\n> Jerry Moos

\r?\n> Big Spring, TX

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\r?\n> Don Wilson wrote:

\r?\n> The bike, apparently located in a place called 'World

\r?\n> wide shipping, United States' is 54cm seat tubed

\r?\n> version with green paint and campy frame ends--one

\r?\n> numbered 1364. The seller hazards no guess as to age.

\r?\n> Perhaps a peak at the pics of transfers might help

\r?\n> someone date it.

\r?\n> 140074659144

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\r?\n> Don Wilson

\r?\n> Los Olivos, CA USA

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\r?\n> D.C. Wilson dcwilson3@yahoo.com

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