Well, I can confirm the my totally original (ok, except bar tape, tires and toe straps), early 1960's Bianchi CdM track bike has non-engraved Cinelli bar and stem so it would seem they were indeed available to others besides Schwinn. I would presume that this is the way Schwinn spec'd their Paramount track bikes but apparently they were not available exclusively to them.
Eric Elman
Somers, CT
>I know that the steel road bars were available either with or without the
>engraving by the stem - a glance at old ads or perhaps the Cinelli catalog
>I believe will confirm that. The track bars I'm not so sure about, but
>based on the number I've seen without engraving I suspect they were
>available outside the Schwinn channel as well. I suspect, though, that
>Schwinn specifically ordered them without engraving and that was what was
>being refered to. But if they only were available to Schwinn that would be
>interesting.
>
> Mike Kone in Boulder CO
>
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> From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com>
>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I heard a long time ago that the Cinelli steel track bars without the
>> logo on them were made for Schwinn to use on the Paramount treck
>> bikes. Anyone else ever hear that. I believe it was Dave Staub that
>> told me that; and he would have known for sure.
>>
>> Brian Baylis
>> La Mesa, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> -- hersefan@comcast.net wrote:
>> Yes,
>>
>> Many Cinelli bars did not have typical engraving near the stem and
>> where just plain. But - all steel Cinelli bars I belive have a model
>> number by the bar end from what I recall. Not typical numbers - look
>> for something like a 14 or a 16 if my brain is working today.
>>
>> Mike Kone in Boulder CO
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: gene
>>
>> > Hi all
>> > The CR archives helped answer one of my questions, but not the
>> other. I
>> > was wondering about the stem and bars on the Paramount track bike
>> that I
>> > recently acquired and posted a picture of on here yesterday. The
>> original
>> > owner who sold it to me was certain that the stem and bars were
>> Cinelli.
>> > The stem certainly looks like an old chromed Cinelli track stem, but
>> has no
>> > badge or stamp, so initially I thought he must have been mistaken.
>> But
>> > looking through the archives on here, I found out that indeed there
>> were
>> > unstamped Cinelli stems made specifically for Paramounts (not sure
>> why,
>> > though). However, the chromed track bars don't have any logos like
>> you'd
>> > normally see on Cinelli bars. I haven't been able to find anything
>> about
>> > this in the archives. So, does anyone know, were there unstamped
>> Cinelli
>> > track bars?
>> > Thanks!
>> > Gene Balk
>> > Seattle, WA