Does it need to be a TA? I have a Sugino new in the box.
David Stow
Cornelia, GA
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> 1. Re: Metal Aviation Duravia (GCJ)
> 2. Intro, and for sale (Tom Seaman)
> 3. Unicanitor saddle with leather cover (Chuck Schmidt)
> 4. Re: Re:[CR]Synchron Brakes- How do they measure up (dddd)
> 5. Cinelli steel bars (David Bean)
> 6. RE: Synchron Brakes- How do they measure up (neil foddering)
> 7. High resolution scans of Campagnolo catalogs (Feeken, Dirk)
> 8. FS: NOS T/A water bottles; 6 for $30 shipped (Ed Braley)
> 9. Re: High resolution scans of Campagnolo catalogs
> 10. Re: Campy? (Eric Goforth)
> 11. Race-Durability in 1970's - 1983 (Tom Dalton)
> 12. WTB ---T.A. three arm crankset- also chainrings.Spear point stem
> also. (Peter Weigle)
> 13. Re: Campy? (Lee Berg)
> 14. Re: Cinelli steel bars (Pat Moffat)
> 15. Re: FS: NOS T/A water bottles; 6 for $30 shipped (Ed Braley)
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:16:09 -0600
> From: "GCJ" <p2vp26na@intergate.com>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Re: Metal Aviation Duravia
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> http://site.voila.fr/
> More information on Metal Aviation Duravia & other duravia bikes.
> George Jones Dallas,TX
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:54:20 -0800
> From: Tom Seaman <thomas@kokoPedli.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Intro, and for sale
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> Hello all, I've been lurking here for a week or so. I came on board
> because someone told me it was the place to go to sell my Zeus
> chainrings...
> Also, I love bicycles, and am especially fond of those from the late 70s
> and a few years either side of that. I feel that the quality of metal
> got a little better after that so the care in workmanship went
> down... foam metal and such took over. I did not have a car for
> the first 10 years of my adult life. I rode my thumb and my bicycle
> instead. I have a closet full of bicycle stuff, mostly from the late
> 70s, and need to let go of some of it. Most has been used, but is
> still in good condition, some not so good, and a few extra-extra good.
> But I'm not a well educated biker, so I have a few things I do not
> know the date of, I only hope they fit the list... such as, I have a
> cinelli stem I want to sell that has a stamp on it on the top that is an
> oval that says cinelli curved across the inside top of the oval, and
> Milano in slightly smaller letters around the inside of the bottom of
> the oval, and a simple straight line across the middle. It has
> recessed bolts, is alloy
> , and the distance from the middle of the drop bolt to the middle of the
> handle-bar hole is about 118mm. The distance from the top of the drop
> bolt to it's bottom is 144mm, it has no "do not insert past here" mark,
> and does have a few cosmetic scratches, but not many, a bunch of very
> very tiny dings
> , and a bit of a mark at the place it was most inserted to. Still got
> a lot of it's satiny sheen... I could take pictures... But how to
> tell what to sell for? I would not even sell it if I was not needing
> money now, so, of course I want the highest bid! But, also because I
> need the money, it would be better to sell low than not sell. So, I
> think the policy of a single priced offering does not serve me
> well... besides not really knowing what such an item is worth! I
> suspect it is useful to someone here, but not really the highest prized
> item around. So, I will call it $20. And I will wait a few days
> and see if I get any response. I will see if anyone offers me more or
> less than I'm asking, and _know that I am open to both on anything I
> post for sale here_! If anyone wants to tell me about how to deal with
> pricing here, or does not like what I'm expressing (or my way of
> expressing) about it, please tell me!
> thanks!
> I also have several usable-great suntour new winner freewheel bodies to
> move, and many cogs to go with them, including several of the 11 tooth
> cogs that have never been ridden on, not even ever put on a bike, tho I
> have screwed them onto a body. I have some 12 tooths also... I'm
> going to go sort through them and post the cogs and bodies in a day or 3.
> Now, the reason I got here... I have 4 Zeus chainwheels, a 52, a 53,
> a 54, and a 56 tooth. I have a 177.5mm arm crank set, but I'm
> probably keeping the arms. I just sold the 36 tooth ($40), and the 46
> tooth ($20). The 56 tooth has no inner support ring, it was made
> lighter than the other 3 which all have the inner ring. They all have
> mild scratching on them, all used but usable (the 53 tooth is the least
> used with almost no actual tooth wear). The original set I got was the
> 36-56, I got the 46-54 off a dead bike years ago, and the 52 and 53 from
> a shop, the 53 was unused, but I've put a few miles on it now. Once
> again, I'm selling because I need money... I'm saving the crank arms
> because I love them and especially their length is perfect for me. I
> found I can put a barest touch of a file to 118 rings and get them to
> work on this set. I'm not into the need to have everything match and
> be original, so here's some 119 BCD rings for sale, and I'll get 118s
> and a file later when the paychecks come around again ;-)
> So, how about $25 each for the 54 and the 56, and $30 each for the
> (less worn) 52 and the 53? pictures available.
> thanks for listening Tom Seaman In Portland, Oregon now,
> probably in Seattle this week-end, then back to pdx and down to Santa
> Cruz, ca. first of march...
> oh, and my passion for bicycles and traveling has led me to making my
> own version of a folding bicycle, you can see me riding my 6th
> proto-type at http://www.kokopedli.com a production model (with
> upgraded this and that) will be available in a few months, with optional
> electric assist.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:23:48 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: CR RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Unicanitor saddle with leather cover
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> The Holdsworthy Co. Ltd. TRADE LIST October - 1967
> UNICA-NITOR
> Nylon top less Clip - 34/6 (Trade) - 47/6 (Retail)
> Campione Mondo, Leather Covered - 59/10 (Trade) - 82/6 (Retail)
>
>
> This is the earliest reference to a leather covered Unicanitor I've
> found in a catalog. Anyone seen an earlier reference?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, CA USA
> http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:34:28 -0800
> From: "dddd" <dddd@pacbell.net>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: Re:[CR]Synchron Brakes- How do they measure up
> Message-ID: <000301c75012$f1cebe00$4001a8c0@compaq>
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> To your last question, in 1970 I received a Raleigh Record for my birthday
> which had Altenberger Synchron calipers. These worked better (more power,
> less flex at the lever) than the center-pull brakes I've used on similar
> bikes of that era, seemingly due in part to the lack of a cable hanger and
> the flex therein. In fact, I later replaced the front caliper on that bike
> with a generic, Japanese, centerpull caliper, and so was able to make a
> direct comparison at the same reach dimension (tho the Weinmann front
> caliper on my Grand Sports model uses the more-rigid stem extension as a
> hanger and leaves nothing to be desired).
>
> One detriment of dual-pivot calipers is their inability to float freely
> about the center-bolt in the event a broken spoke throws the rim out of
> plane. A normal sidepull caliper is comparatively unnoticeable as far as
> it's effect on rubbing friction against a bent rim. In the days of
> generous
> tire clearances on racing bikes, such an advantage of the single-pivot
> sidepull could make the difference between winning and, uh, the other
> outcome.
> Dual-pivot calipers would also seem to be more of a engineering task to
> design, and likely even more difficult to design to the same weight (not
> to
> mention price) as single pivot calipers. The Synchrons also used a
> synchronizing rubbing block between the arms, whereas current dual-pivots
> make contact between the arms only in the rest position (where the
> centering
> screw contacts the other arm).
>
> David Snyder
> after bedtime in
> Auburn, CA usa
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- >
>> ...- was the idea of a dual pivot patented?
>> - why did they take such a long time to catch on ?
>> - why were the first 3 instances of dual pivots so very very similar ?
>> - was the Raleigh Super Tourer (1974) the first production bike
>> to use them ?
>>
>> - Don Gillies
>> San Diego, CA, USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:37:14 -0500
> From: "David Bean" <beandk@rcn.com>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Cinelli steel bars
> Message-ID: <000a01c7502c$798a7a50$6d7ba8c0@dkbwin2k>
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>
> I've never examined any, but I'm a bit surprised to learn that Cinelli
> engraved some steel bars with their fancy trademarks. It would have to be
> done pre-chroming (wouldn't it?) or else it would simply set up the
> destruction of the chrome. And chroming over it would ruin any detail
> (wouldn't it?) And steel is so darn hard to begin with.
>
> David Bean
> Arlington, MA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:51:25 +0000
> From: "neil foddering" <neilfoddering@hotmail.com>
> To: hmsachs@verizon.net, seaneee175@gmail.com,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Synchron Brakes- How do they measure up
> Message-ID: <BAY115-F140520AFA2ECD751582BFABF970@phx.gbl>
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>
>
>
>
> I believe that they were made by Altenburger from the outset, and that the
> ones marketed by GB were badged accordingly.
>
> A friend bought some when they were current (1960's?) and he reckoned that
> they were very poor in terms of function and durability. Whether this was
> representative of these brakes, or he was just unlucky, I don't know.
>
> Neil Foddering
> Weymouth, Dorset, England.
>
>
>
>
>>From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
>>To: seaneee175@gmail.com,Classic Rendezvous
>><classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>Subject: [CR]Synchron Brakes- How do they measure up
>>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:13:26 -0500
>>
>>Sean Flores wrote:
>>
>>I was taking a look at a set of GB Synchrons on ebay and was curious if
>>anyone has had any experience with these? They look like an early
>>pre-cursor to dual pivot. I know they were also later manufactured by
>>Altenburger (sp?) as well.
>>
>>Anyhow, if anyone knows how they stack up against modern dual pivot, or
>>older sidepull and centerpull, I'd love to hear it.
>>++++++++++++++++++
>>I keep a pair around the house as eye candy for those who think that dual
>>pivots are new. But, I also installed and used a pair on a first series
>>Moulton (little wheel), where they were a vast improvement over the
>>original sheet steel long reach sidepulls. They were about the only
>>period-appropriate alternative for the Moulton, whose front suspension
>>objected to center pull hangers, and whose rear suspension just didn't
>>clear any of the other brakes I had lying around.
>>
>>These were built for wider rims than modern dual-pivots, and longer reach
>>than most. The "feel" is much harder than modern units, in part because
>>the
>>levers don't have the return springs to counterbalance the brake springs.
>>
>>My sense has been that the GB and Altenbergers are identical. I have
>>suspected that the GB was a rebadged Alt, but it could have been the other
>>way around. By the way, the tourist levers for these are pretty nice,
>>too.
>>
>>harvey sachs
>>mcLean va
>>_______________________________________________
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:22:25 +0100
> From: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]High resolution scans of Campagnolo catalogs
> Message-ID: <B1ABE3D7CADBD44A878307C79C121AC0CD8F14@dewdfe12.wdf.sap.corp>
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>
> There's a rather new website which offers beside other stuff very high
> resolution scans of Campagnolo catalogs starting with number 18:
> http://www.tuttocampybici.com
> Although the catalogs are out of the timeline they are probably of
> interest for a lot of people here and might even help avoiding
> discussions about Chorus, Triomphe etc because you can just look it up
> now.
>
> Dirk (no connection to tuttocampybici)
>
> --
> Dirk Feeken
> Heidelberg
> Germany
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:57:31 -0500
> From: "Ed Braley" <edbraley@maine.rr.com>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]FS: NOS T/A water bottles; 6 for $30 shipped
> Message-ID: <002b01c75040$12884d00$5285e048@maine.rr.com>
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>
> I have a large lot of NOS T/A water bottles that I'm offering in
> multiples
> of 6.
>
> These bottles were in an open bin in a defunct import business. They'll
> need
> to be washed in warm soapy water to remove a thin film of dirt and to
> make
> them shine again, but they wash right up, they're new, unused and very
> vintage. Fit standard bottle cages.
>
> The bottles are all plastic, white with red caps. The T/A logo is molded
> into the bottom of the bottle, where you can flash it to your friends as
> you
> tip to take a swig. For that vintage bike these bottles look great.
>
> You can buy Specialized bottles for about the same amount, and they're
> great, but NOS T/A bottles are scarce.
> So, the deal is this: 6 bottles shipped in the US for $30. I'll throw in
> a
> couple of extra caps to prolong the usable life. (Caps are always the
> weak
> part in any water bottle I've ever owned.) PayPal would make it quick
> and
> easy for me, but I'll take money orders, too.
>
> And if you want more than 6, I can work a deal on that, too.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:34:16 +0000
> From: hersefan@comcast.net
> To: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com>,
> <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]High resolution scans of Campagnolo catalogs
> Message-ID:
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> For curiosity does anyone know who is running this site? It looks to be
> rather nicely done.
>
> Mike Kone in Boulder CO
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Feeken, Dirk" <dirk.feeken@sap.com>
>
>> There's a rather new website which offers beside other stuff very high
>> resolution scans of Campagnolo catalogs starting with number 18:
>> http://www.tuttocampybici.com
>> Although the catalogs are out of the timeline they are probably of
>> interest for a lot of people here and might even help avoiding
>> discussions about Chorus, Triomphe etc because you can just look it up
>> now.
>>
>> Dirk (no connection to tuttocampybici)
>>
>> --
>> Dirk Feeken
>> Heidelberg
>> Germany
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:36:51 -0500
> From: Eric Goforth <ewgoforth@earthlink.net>
> To: 'CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS' <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy?
> Message-ID: <45D31E83.5040701@earthlink.net>
> In-Reply-To: <002b01c74ef5$df32f040$04000100@david372aca8f1>
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> Sorry,
>
> Thought I had put it in there...
>
> Ebay # 230091061463
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> -Eric
>
> --
> Eric Goforth
> Raleigh, NC USA
>
> David Bilenkey wrote:
>> Eric,
>>
>> You're going to have to be more specific... What bike are you talking
>> about?
>>
>> David
>> --
>> David Bilenkey
>> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>> dbilenkey@sympatico.ca
>>
>> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
>
>>> This bike is back on Ebay. What is Campagnolo about it? There's no
>>> headset, bottom bracket, or even dropouts.
>>>
>>> What's left, the braze on shifter mounts? Did Campy make
>>> those, or were
>>> they just dimensioned to fit campy shifters?
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>> --
>>> Eric Goforth
>>> Raleigh, NC USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:13:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
> To: gillies@cs.ubc.ca,
> Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Race-Durability in 1970's - 1983
> Message-ID: <725534.29917.qm@web50415.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Donald Gillies wrote:
> I was surprised by an article about Darrel McCulloch and his work for
> the Australian national cycling team. In particular, he stated, "The
> life expectancy for these bikes is 12 months at the maximum" (article
> written June 2006).
>
> http://www.llewellynbikes.com/
>
> For any CR members who were sponsored racers in the 1970's and early
> 1980's, what do you think was the life expectancy of your bike ?? Was
> it 1 year, 2 years, 3 years?
>
> What was a typical failure mode - A crash? A tube separating or
> starting to tear? A braze-on that broke-off ?? Or is it just that the
> bike looks ragged and - the factory or the sponsor is not set up to do
> repaints ?? Thanx.
>
> Don,
> These are good questions. They are also questions that I can't answer,
> but I will speculate that the life expectancy of a "classic" steel frame
> in the hands of an elite rider was probably greater than it is for a
> modern frame in the same circumstances. A lot is made on this list of the
> fatigue resistance of steel. A lot is said to imply that if a steel race
> bike failed, it was probably badly made. I've heard it said that with
> classic steel, only big strong ridres broke frames, but everyone else's
> lasted forever, but that now everyone breaks frames. The general message
> seems to be that classic bikes were much more durable, and therefore
> better.
>
> I think we can look past all this lugs or no lugs, OS or conventional, CF
> vs Ti vs Al, vs Fe, good vs bad, skilled builder vs hack, and see what the
> modern race bike is being asked to do. Namely, it's being asked to do
> exactly what the classic race bike did, or possibly a bit more as top
> riders become stronger (don't ask how!). At the same time the bike is
> being asked to do this job, it's mass is being reduced appreciably.
> That's it. Different materials, configurations, and joining techniques
> can take you a certain part of the way, then you start having to make
> other concessions. With more money in the sport, and a trend among
> consumers to be more and more willing to pony up, the concessions to
> durability have become more acceptable.
>
> Tom Dalton
> Bethlehem PA USA
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate
> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:27:31 -0500
> From: "Peter Weigle" <jpweigle@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]WTB ---T.A. three arm crankset- also chainrings.Spear point
> stem
> also.
> Message-ID: <001101c7504c$a4bdfec0$210110ac@PETERTR0JQH071>
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> List members with toooo many parts in the basement! Make her happy on
> Valentines day,, get rid of some!
> I'm looking for a T.A. 3 arm alloy crankset to complete a project, also
> need
> small chainrings for same, 48-34 tooth or similar?,,,, english bottom
> bracket for same.
>
> Also looking for a spear point stems,8 or 9, and a 10 or so GB or
> similar
> for 22.2 steerer.
> Paypal, cash, trade, or whatever.
> Thanks,
> Peter Weigle
> Lyme Ct.,,,, where the wind today is blowing dogs off chains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:40:33 -0800
> From: "Lee Berg" <ventoux@gmail.com>
> To: "CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campy?
> Message-ID: <950ac02e0702140740q3ee81334wee27ce3e295bcbcb@mail.gmail.com>
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> The derailleur cable guides brazed onto the top of the BB shell.
>
> Lee Berg
> Palo Alto
>
> On 2/12/07, Eric Goforth <ewgoforth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> This bike is back on Ebay. What is Campagnolo about it? There's no
>> headset, bottom bracket, or even dropouts.
>>
>> What's left, the braze on shifter mounts? Did Campy make those, or were
>> they just dimensioned to fit campy shifters?
>>
>> -Eric
>> --
>> Eric Goforth
>> Raleigh, NC USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:58:20 -0700
> From: "Pat Moffat" <rocketman_531@msn.com>
> To: <beandk@rcn.com>,
> "Classic Rendezvous (E-mail)" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Cinelli steel bars
> Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV118DA2B0FE132FF4CEE127CB970@phx.gbl>
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>
> David Bean was musing about steel Cinelli bars and stems...specifically
> about engraving.
>
> I just purchased a Taurus built in the mid 50's from Craigslist this
> past Sunday. It has steel, chromed Cinelli bar and stem, and they are
> both engraved. The detail isn't as sharp as the later alloy products,
> but it is still very clear. They measure about 36.5cm c-c.
>
> The guy bought the bike in 1967 from the original owner. It has hung in
> his garage for the last 30 years. He lives about 2 minutes from me.
> Unfortunately he painted it many years ago. Dang.
>
> Pat Moffat
> Tempe AZUSA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Bean<mailto:beandk@rcn.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous (E-mail)<mailto:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:37 AM
> Subject: [CR]Cinelli steel bars
>
>
> I've never examined any, but I'm a bit surprised to learn that Cinelli
> engraved some steel bars with their fancy trademarks. It would have
> to be
> done pre-chroming (wouldn't it?) or else it would simply set up the
> destruction of the chrome. And chroming over it would ruin any detail
> (wouldn't it?) And steel is so darn hard to begin with.
>
> David Bean
> Arlington, MA
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:40:10 -0500
> From: "Ed Braley" <edbraley@maine.rr.com>
> To: "Ed Braley" <edbraley@maine.rr.com>,
> "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]FS: NOS T/A water bottles; 6 for $30 shipped
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> All bottles have been sold, thanks,
>
> Ed Braley
> Falmouth, ME
> USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Braley" <edbraley@maine.rr.com>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:57 AM
> Subject: [CR]FS: NOS T/A water bottles; 6 for $30 shipped
>
>
>> I have a large lot of NOS T/A water bottles that I'm offering in
>> multiples
>> of 6.
>>
>> These bottles were in an open bin in a defunct import business. They'll
>> need
>> to be washed in warm soapy water to remove a thin film of dirt and to
>> make
>> them shine again, but they wash right up, they're new, unused and very
>> vintage. Fit standard bottle cages.
>>
>> The bottles are all plastic, white with red caps. The T/A logo is molded
>> into the bottom of the bottle, where you can flash it to your friends as
>> you
>> tip to take a swig. For that vintage bike these bottles look great.
>>
>> You can buy Specialized bottles for about the same amount, and they're
>> great, but NOS T/A bottles are scarce.
>> So, the deal is this: 6 bottles shipped in the US for $30. I'll throw in
>> a
>> couple of extra caps to prolong the usable life. (Caps are always the
>> weak
>> part in any water bottle I've ever owned.) PayPal would make it quick
>> and
>> easy for me, but I'll take money orders, too.
>>
>> And if you want more than 6, I can work a deal on that, too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ed.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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