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> 1. Re: Photos: Acme Bicycle Stand - Updated Version / Interpretation
> 2. Re: Re: WTB: Schwinn Super Sport,
> Sports Tourer or Superior frame set
> 3. Re: Road find: The Ultimate Camapgnolo Seat Post Wrench
> (Wayne Davidson)
> 4. Was Campagnolo copies, now Why would anyone want to (Tom Dalton)
> 5. Re: WTB: Schwinn Super Sport (Doug Fattic)
> 6. Re: Road find: The Ultimate Camapgnolo Seat Post Wrench
> 7. Parts for sale, Parts wanted (Larry
Myers)
> 8. Re: new ebay scam - successful (Donald Gillies)
> 9. Re: Announcing the 2008 Cirque du Cyclisme!
> 10. Why no Germans? (Toni Theilmeier)
> 11. Re: Was Campagnolo copies, now Why would anyone want to
> 12. Re: Announcing the 2008 Cirque du Cyclisme! (Chuck Schmidt)
> 13. Just for the record: Torpedo and Torpedo (Toni Theilmeier)
> 14. RE: TA bidon cage clamps (Joel Niemi)
> 15. Pics of my '72 Condor Frame and fork (David Bilenkey)
>
>
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>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:13:22 -0400
>From: oroboyz@aol.com
>To: bretthorton@thehortoncollection.com,
>
classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Photos: Acme Bicycle Stand - Updated Version / Interpretation
>Message-ID: <8C95584ED20663F-AFC-9C53@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com>
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> << http://thehortoncollection.com/
>
> Where do I place my order? :)
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: bretthorton@thehortoncollection.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 2:58 PM
> Subject: [CR]Photos: Acme Bicycle Stand - Updated Version / Interpretation
>
> It was 5-6 years ago that I saw for the first (and only) time what is being
>referred to on the CR list as an Acme bicycle stand. Bradley at American Cyclery
>in San Francisco had one as part of a display of vintage bikes at his shop. I
>loved the concept, but was not crazy about the execution. Bradley kindly lent me
>his stand to see what could be done to improve the classic stand.
>
>I took the original Acme stand apart, then set about capturing the feel of the
>original with a few refinements. I redesigned it for a more narrow range of
>frame
sizes, focusing on frames that were 54 - 58cm. (That range captures
>virtually every bicycle in my collection.) I then modified the design so the
>weight of the bike would primarily rest on the underside of the bottom bracket
>with counter weight balance on the front wheel. I widened the "feet" of the
>stand for stability and adjusted the height and width of the tire slot to
>address a standard front road/track wheel. Finally, I changed the wood to
>something I found a bit more interesting than basic pine and used a slick
>internal hinging system rather than utilitarian junk chain and hardware store
>hinges. The stand folds flat for easy storage.
>
> I ended up making five of these stands. All told, the project took me a bit
>more than 30 hours, working out to about six
hours or labor per stand.
>
>Someone! Anyone! Please grab the reigns, further refine the design and then
>mass produce these things so they could become affordable!
>
>I've placed a set of down and dirty photos on my site at:
>
>http://thehortoncollection.com/bicyclestand.htm
>
>
>
>Brett Horton
>San Francisco, California
>
>
>.
>
>
>
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>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:14:13 +0000 (GMT)
>From: joebz@optonline.net
>To: Doug Van Cleve <dvancleve@gmail.com>
>Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Re: WTB: Schwinn Super Sport,
> Sports Tourer or Superior frame set
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>The measurement is to the actual top of the top tube, which has extra length for a collar. If you can ride a 57cm c-c, the 24" should be OK.
>
>The days of finding Sports Tourers at garage sales seem to over. The Superior (of that type) was only made for one year. It has Suntour derailleurs, a Nervar crank and no built in kickstand. I would stay clear of the Ashtabula crank Super Sport. There are
decent BMX conversion BBs though if you want to go cotterless.
>
>Joe Bender-Zanoni
>Great Notch, NJ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Doug Van Cleve
>Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:31 pm
>Subject: [CR]Re: WTB: Schwinn Super Sport, Sports Tourer or Superior frame set
>To: Classic Rendezvous
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > Based on pictures of a 22" these measure out small. Can anybody
> > get a
> > C-T of top tube height and actual C-C top tube length on a 22" model?
> > Standover would also be helpful to know. I can't imagine
> > anything 24"
> > not being too big for me, but the 22" looks small. Thanks again :^)
> >
> > Doug Van Cleve
> > Chandler, AZ USA
> >
> >
> > On 4/24/07, Doug Van Cleve
wrote:
> > > Howdy folks,
> > >
> > > I would like to find a nice but not too nice one of these in about
> > > 55cm. It looks like they had a 22" model, so that would
> > probably be
> > > it. Anybody have one that you would sell?
> > >
> > > Doug Van Cleve
> > > Chandler, AZ USA
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:18:18
+1200
>From: Wayne Davidson <wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>
>To: Classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Road find: The Ultimate Camapgnolo Seat Post Wrench
>Message-ID: <C25602BA.1F4DC%wayne.collect@xtra.co.nz>
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>Hi all, yes the spanners that Sheldon talks about are now becoming a lot
>easier to obtain, and the sizes are getting better. While I'm quite sure
>Gear wrench were the devolopers, they are made by quite a few companies now,
>and a lot are just made in the same factory with their name etched on them,
>but if you are lucky enough to see a gear wrench catalog,
there are quite a
>few variations made on them. The prices are not cheap, but I have made the
>effort to get 3 of them, 2 being 10mm and the other being 8mm. I have seen
>them as small as 6mm.
>
>I'm quite ahppy to use them on bicycle work, not sure I could ever use them
>on the trucks and other heavy eqiupment that I work on every day, I'll stick
>to the old set of SK rachet spanners for them, when required of course, for
>everything else in my toolbox is mainly Stahlwille, Britool, Proto, Koken
>and Snap on/Blue point. Just a little digression from the usual subjects,
>but some of us use tools other than those guys at the LBS........regards
>wayne davidson Invers NZ...........
>
>
>
>on 26/4/07 6:40 AM, Sheldon Brown at CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com wrote:
>
> > The other day my wife
came back from her commute and showed me her
> > latest road find, and I was blown away!
> >
> > I've long been a fan of Craftsman tools, but this one was new to me.
> > It's a 10 mm wrench, one end is a classic open end, but the other end
> > is a ratcheting box wrench on a lockable flex hinge. Here's a Sears
> > page describing it in detail:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/
> >
> > That page is for the 7-piece set, but I presume it is also possible
> > to buy the individual wrenches.
> >
> > Harriet has classic Campagnolo Record seatposts on two of her bikes,
> > the Bottecchia fixed gear she commutes on and her old Holdsworth road
> > bike. Now she has the PERFECT tool for adjusting these excellent but
> > awkward
posts.
> >
> > Sheldon "Toolaholic" Brown
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
>To: Gdglenn201@aol.com,
> Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Was Campagnolo copies, now Why would anyone want to
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>I do hear some of the cool Mavic stuff calling my name. If my wife finds out, I'm toast.
>
>Gary Glenn
>Seneca, SC
>
>
> I take it she's a die-hard Tutto Camagnolo type, eh?
>
> Tom
Dalton
> Bethlehem, PA
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:29:49 -0400
>From: Doug Fattic <fatticbicycles@qtm.net>
>To: <dvancleve@gmail.com>,
> "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR] Re: WTB: Schwinn Super Sport
>Message-ID: <C255246D.D3B3%fatticbicycles@qtm.net>
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>Hi Dave,
>
>I have a 1965 Schwinn Super Sport that is the 24" model. It measures about
>23" center to top of the top tube. The seat tube continues up another 1
>1/4". This extension is why these Schwinn frames are smaller than their
>size indicates. From my measurements, I would assume that the 22" model
>(their were only 2 sizes) would be about 21" center to top.
>
>If you are desperate I can figure stand over height. They were designed to
>use 27 X 1 1/4" wheels, of course.
>
>My dad got me a 1965 22" Super Sport for $94.50 when I was a freshman in
>college. Everyone and I mean everyone thought I was crazy for getting such
>an expensive bicycle. It got stolen sometime
before I graduated but I was
>fortunate to be able to get another on a couple of years ago. I have a
>sentimental attraction to them for this reason but keep in mind the frame
>weighs a ton and then you add the Ashtabula cranks and it is a boat anchor.
>It was a revelation when the next bike I got about a year later was a used
>Italian made campy equipped (gran sport derailleurs) with tubular tires.
>
>Why are you interested in such a bike? I told Bob Hovey this is the bike
>I'm bringing to Cirque and I'm leaving my Hetchins and Masis at home. He
>just rolls his eyes. His reaction brings back memories of when I was
>showing it off to my friends in college the first time around.
>
>Doug Fattic, keeping bikes for sentimental rather than good quality riding
>reasons in
Niles, Michigan USA
>
>
>From: "Doug Van Cleve" <dvancleve@gmail.com>
>Folks,
>
>Based on pictures of a 22" these measure out small. Can anybody get a
>C-T of top tube height and actual C-C top tube length on a 22" model?
>Standover would also be helpful to know. I can't imagine anything 24"
>not being too big for me, but the 22" looks small. Thanks again :^)
>
>Doug Van Cleve
>Chandler, AZ USA
>
>
>On 4/24/07, Doug Van Cleve <dvancleve@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Howdy folks,
> >
> > I would like to find a nice but not too nice one of these in about
> > 55cm. It looks like they had a 22" model, so that would probably be
> > it. Anybody have one that you would sell?
> >
> >
Doug Van Cleve
> > Chandler, AZ USA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:32:21 +0000 (GMT)
>From: joebz@optonline.net
>To: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
>Cc: BOB List <internet-bob@bikelist.org>
>Cc: Classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Road find: The Ultimate Camapgnolo Seat Post Wrench
>Message-ID: <e93ee9a98edc.462facc5@optonline.net>
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>Hows this for a little sweeter deal.
http://www.harborfreight.com/
>
>Joe Bender-Zanoni
>Great Notch, NJ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Sheldon Brown
>Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:41 pm
>Subject: [CR]Road find: The Ultimate Camapgnolo Seat Post Wrench
>To: Classicrendezvous , BOB List
>
> > The other day my wife came back from her commute and showed me
> > her
> > latest road find, and I was blown away!
> >
> > I've long been a fan of Craftsman tools, but this one was new to
> > me.
> > It's a 10 mm
wrench, one end is a classic open end, but the
> > other end
> > is a ratcheting box wrench on a lockable flex hinge. Here's a
> > Sears
> > page describing it in detail:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/
> >
> > That page is for the 7-piece set, but I presume it is also
> > possible
> > to buy the individual wrenches.
> >
> > Harriet has classic Campagnolo Record seatposts on two of her
> > bikes,
> > the Bottecchia fixed gear she commutes on and her old Holdsworth
> > road
> > bike. Now she has the PERFECT tool for adjusting these
> > excellent but
> > awkward posts.
> >
> > Sheldon "Toolaholic" Brown
> > +-------------------------------------------------+
> > | Men have become the tools of
their tools. |
> > | -- Henry David Thoreau |
> > +-------------------------------------------------+
> > --
> > Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> > Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
> > http://harriscyclery.com
> > Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> > http://captainbike.com
> > Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> > http://sheldonbrown.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Larry Myers <curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Parts for sale, Parts wanted
>Message-ID: <20070425193549.49122.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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>Greetings, Lads!
>
> Following items for sale-
> 1)NOS Wrights 'Swallow' saddle, late
50's-early 60's. Never ridden or mounted, mint condition(fits standard-width clamp, not the extra-narrow one) $185 + shipping
> 2)NOS Simplex 'De-Multiplicator' (clamp-on), $30 (shipping in US included)
> 3)Campy Steel Road pedals (w/strap loops!) in excellent condition, $90+ shipping
> 4)NOS/NIB 'ATOM' 4-speed frewheel, BSC thread, 14-16-18-20,. $50+shipping
> 5)NOS/NIB 'J. Moyne' 3-speed freewheel,French thread, 16-18-20, $55+ shipping
> 6)Campy Steel road pedals- (w/strap loops),very beaten up, though little rust...no dust caps, good for parts or daily rider (bearings still smooth), $23+ shipping
> 7)Campy Bar-Cons, in beautiful condition (blue covers), includes downtube cable stop & stainless housing (sorry-original cables not included), $60, +
shipping.
>
> Please remember-PayPal only; I use my e-mail address for this. I am also looking for the following items; none of them have to be NOS, just functional & nice-looking-
>
> 1)Gold anodized 'Super LJ' clamp-on f. derailleur
> 2)upper spring for Campy 'Rally' derailleur (or trashed unit I can scavenge from)
> 3)Zeus headset, in BSC or Italian
> 4) 'Prior' rear road hub, or a set of same.
>
> Also, thanks to all for the many flattering comments about my '64 JRJ; being asked to add it to the Bob Jackson gallery page was the ultimate compliment! Next project: '74 Paramount track bike.
>
> Cheers,
> Larry Myers,Portland, Or, USA
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Ahhh...imagining that
irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR] new ebay scam - successful
>Message-ID: <200704251939.l3PJduIN023062@cascade.cs.ubc.ca>
>Precedence: list
>Message: 8
>
>I got a message from an ebay seller concerning an item that I had bid
>upon. I had even been messaging that seller so a message from him was
>not unexpected. Out of hundreds of ebay messages, this one really
>fooled
me because they leveraged a transaction that I was actually
>involved in.
>
>When I attempted to respond, i got a login page to respond to the
>message, and the scammer picked off my ebay password. I realized the
>scam about 10 secs later and changed my password before any harm was
>done.
>
>This is probably why bidder's addresses are now kept secret on auction
>pages.
>
>- Don Gillies
>San Diego, CA
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:41:31 EDT
>From: LeMansGTMAN@aol.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Re: Announcing the 2008 Cirque du Cyclisme!
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>
>VA instead of NC?! - a much easier journey for anyone from the UK wishing to
>attend the Cirque.
>
>Respect to Dale - and of course no disrespect intended to NC - but it's a
>complete pain in the a--e to get to from Luton Bedfordshire.
>
>Additionally, located in Leesburg (v.nice - I remember taking a 'comfort
>break' there on my way to Gettysburg last October) it'll be so much easier to
>persuade a non-cycling wife as to the virtues of a hop across the pond for a
>week - what with the attractions of DC (which she's sworn to re-visit) and PA
>nearby...
>
>On that basis I hope to be at the "Cirque 2008".
>
>Ian Briggs
>LUTON -
UK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:41:03 +0200
>From: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Why no Germans?
>Message-ID: <E6B6DE4F-F364-11DB-9E81-0050E49E894D@t-online.de>
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>
>Just a quick outline of my opinion. I can supply sources for all of
>what I´m writing here if needs be, many off-hand, some after
looking
>
>more intensely.
>
>Before WWI, track racing, and especially motor paced track racing, was
>
>the biggest pro sports in Germany. Riders were attracted from all over
>
>the world, including the US.
>
>Then soccer came up and became the most watched sports during the
>1920s. Germans still are soccer crazy and have only become mildly
>interested in cycle racing with the rise of Jan Ullrich (sp?). Among
>young people, especially from the lower strata of society, cycle racing
>
>is definitively the most uncool thing to do, only slightly surpassed by
>
>developing spots in your face.
>
>At the same time, Germany was by no means the super developed country
>it is today. Industrialization on a big scale had started a full
>generation later than in the UK, and
even during the nineteen-thirties
>
>the numbers of cars or radio sets per capita were the lowest in Western
>
>Europe, let alone the US. Mass motorization only arrived during the
>early sixties. Not many people had any funds to spare to spend on an
>expensive racing bike, and to have a black roadster bike was the dream
>
>of any kid over here.
>
>With the late advent of industrialization, German cycle manufacturers
>during the 1880s were assembling British parts. Only later parts were
>manufactured in Germany, and by then British threads had been
>established. You still find spanners in German fleamarkets that have
>both inch and metric sizes on them; the latest date from the thirties.
>
>I´m not confusing the German made ones with those which have found
>their way out of British
barracks, or even those marked with the WD
>arrow.
>
>Also with the invention of the Torpedo coaster brake hub and its
>perfection around 1908, Germany had found her role of a manufacturer of
>
>black roadster bikes. Those single speed Torpedos were used in roadster
>
>bikes until about 15 years ago (I have one in an ex-Postal Service
>transport bike I keep for errands and shopping) and even in racing
>bikes as late as the late forties. Back pedalling brakes are favourites
>
>with the German utility cylist even today, if in multi-speed hubs. You
>
>frequently see bikes with three brakes on German roads: Two cable
>brakes as per international Chinese standards, plus the coaster brake
>hub which is insisted on by German importers. A derailleur still is
>ogled with a considerable amount of
suspicion by many German cyclists,
>
>especially around here in the flatter regions of Northern Germany.
>
>Lastly, German racing cyclists were cut off from international
>developments during the thirties when the Fascist government started to
>
>save up for the war and forbid any imports of goods not needed urgently
>
>or for military purposes. This was a blow that could still be felt when
>
>I started cycling during the seventies. Campag? Maxi Car? Stronglight?
>
>Alloy rims? Caliper brakes? How awful. Gimme a good old Torpedo three
>speed any time. You needed to be lucky and to grow up in one of the few
>
>and far between hot spots of cycle racing in Germany not to be
>confronted with this attitude. Things have changed a lot since then,
>I´m happy to
say.
>
>Regards, Toni Theilmeier, Belm, Germany.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:54:09 EDT
>From: Gdglenn201@aol.com
>To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Was Campagnolo copies, now Why would anyone want to
>Message-ID: <c0b.124ef9a3.33610be1@aol.com>
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>No she has DURA ACE!
>
>Gary Glenn
>Seneca,SC
>
>
>
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:01:56 -0700
>From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Announcing the 2008 Cirque du Cyclisme!
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>On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:42 AM, oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
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> > << it has a unique left coast flavor, or something like that. >>
> >
> > Yeah, something in between Lobster Bisque and Egg FooYung...
> >
> > Without Chuck's VR and the Cirque, where would we be?!!!
> >
> > http://www.velo-retro.com/
> >
> > Dale Brown
>
>
>I thought you maybe meant our special tofu rib-eye steak tartar!?
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>South Pasadena, CA
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>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:06:14 +0200
>From: Toni Theilmeier
<toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Just for the record: Torpedo and Torpedo
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>Sheldon Brown just described a typical German black roadster from the
>thirties, with the knurled knob steering damper and all, and most
>unluckily it´s a Torpedo. It´s very likely that it was made by the
>
>Torpedo cycle works in Frankfurt which were completely unrelated to the
>
>Fichtel and Sachs people who made the Torpedo rear hubs which were also
>
>available in a racing version, the "Renntorpedo". I guess someone
>forgot to register a
brand at some time.
>
>The steering damper was typical for pre-WWII roadster cycles and was
>only used post-WWII by Triumph, Nuremberg, as far as I know. They have
>
>a friction band that encircles the fork column. Very useful thing to
>have on unpaved roads.
>
>The German bikes Sheldon describes which were fitted with Thompson
>pressed in bearing cups in the b/b really were the cheapest of the
>cheap. Duting the eighties they were called "brand new bulky refuse".
>The Torpedo bike is likely to be of much higher quality and was
>designed to withstand decades of hard use. Wholesale catalogues list
>universally fitting spares for this type of bike to this day. When
>shopping I regularly meet an elderly woman who rides a ca. 1938
>Torpedo/Frankfurt ladies roadster on which nothing but the frame
and
>the chainset now is original and which she bought used in 1952. Beat
>that, Mr Schwinn!
>
>Regards, Toni Theilmeier, Belm, Germany.
>
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>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:14:58 -0700
>From: "Joel Niemi" <bberryacres@hotmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]RE: TA bidon cage clamps
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>these
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>http://www.loosescrews.com/index.cgi?d=single&c=Accessories&sc=Water%20Bottle&tc=&item_id=AP-BCP&id=66837016500
>
>are intended for the downtube -- I'd expect the "dent" to be centered -- but
>might work on the handlebars
(where the proper "dent" is off-center, so that
>the bolt/nut are under the bar, out of the way of your knuckles).
>
>They might have some of the clips that would work for the handlebars, too.
>
>-- Joel Niemi / Snohomish, Washington, USA
>
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>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:15:46 -0400
>From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Pics of my '72 Condor Frame and
fork
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>If anyone can tell me anything interesting about this Condor I'd appreciate
>it. I expect it to be leaving my hands in the near future, and I just
>thought I'd share it before it goes. Enjoy!
>
>
>
>http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Bilenkeys-Bikestash/72Condor/
>
>
>
>David
>
>--
>
>David Bilenkey
>
>Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
> <mailto:dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
dbilenkey@sympatico.ca
>
>
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Bilenkeys-Bikestash/
>
>
>
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