Great, I should be able to handle it. Thank you!
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Today's Topics:
1. re: Cinelli Production (airart5@netzero.net) 2. Re: Alan Superleggera - design classic? (Wayne Davidson) 3. 150 mm fork chrome (kennedy-herrera) 4. Faliero gossip/pix (Matteo Brandi) 5. Last thought: Out of collecting finally !! (Peter Naiman) 6. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 53, Issue 44 7. Re: ebay seller: mcivicsi 8. Re: Why no QR's on Track bikes - now Chain Adjusters (Amir Avitzur) 9. Re: Re: Why no QR's on Track bikes - now Chain Adjusters (Fred Rednor) 10. Alex Singer 58cm (Nathan Cozzolino) 11. Rhode Island Bike Swap May 12 (mikel66132@juno.com) 12. Faliero gossip/pix (The Maaslands) 13. Re: Cinelli Production (Donald A. Martinich) 14. Re: Alan Superleggera - design classic? (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos) 15. Cinelli Laser and Modolo Kronos (Bianca Pratorius) 16. re: Cinelli Production (Harvey Sachs)
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:00:15 GMT From: "airart5@netzero.net" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]re: Cinelli Production Message-ID: <20070509.120043.14803.19621@webmail14.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
With all this discussion about Cinelli variations and production numbers etc I still have no explanation as to why my '76-'77 SC has such an unusual serial # - 7.100 with a dot right after the 7. Until just a few weeks ago I had never seen another bike with this period in the number sequence. The other bike was on Ebay (fetched something like $5800) and was # 7.106 - just a few down the line from mine. If ALL Cinellis were built in the Cinelli facility why did do these bikes have this serial number aberration? I always assumed my bike to be a farmed out product. I do suspect that we will never know the answer!
Mike Short, Austin TX.
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:05:35 +1200 From: Wayne Davidson To: Subject: Re: [CR]Alan Superleggera - design classic? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <61a83a050705090706t6a988936q14c751ffaa445696@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2
Hi, I've owned a couple of ALANS, and even have a cracked lug frame in the garage. The stated date looks quite wrong to me, and the comments must have been made by an ex drug smoking hippie. They do make for a nice sunday rider, but they are as flexiable as wet toilet paper.......regards wayne davidson Invers NZ..........
on 10/5/07 2:06 AM, Andrew Conway at ahconway@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi -
>
> Metropolis magazine (see http://www.metropolismag.com) is a very good
> magazine about "Architecture, Culture, and Design" - it's well written
> and accessible to a layman such as myself, though I could do without
> so many ad pages dedicated to carpet squares.
>
> In any case, this issue showcases "Things that Matter" and one
> contributor has highlighted his Alan Superleggera frame, writing: "The
> Alan Superleggera bicycle is useful and absolutely beautiful. It gets
> easier to ride every day you use it! The bike has proven to be the
> most efficient form of forward movement, and the frame was one of the
> first experiments in bonded aluminum." See
> http://www.flickr.com/
> frame naked except for Campy Super Record derailleurs and Victory(?)
> shifters.
>
> So I'm a little dubious about some of his claims and thought this
> group might weigh in:
>
> 1. Useful (sure, but not in its pictured state)
>
> 2. Absolutely beautiful (subjective, but I disagree, particularly
> considering some of the lugged steel contemporaries of this frame)
>
> 3. Easier to ride every time (I doubt it, unless early aluminum has
> properties I'm unaware of)
>
> 4. Bicycling the most efficient form of forward movement (nice if
> true, but it seems this would require lots of basic assumptions)
>
> 5. One of the first experiments in bonded aluminum (maybe in cycling,
> but surely there were aerospace applications long before)
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: kennedy-herrera To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]150 mm fork chrome Message-ID: <701093.59596.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3
looking for 1" steer tube fork, all chrome, and appx 145 to 155 mm without fender eyelets, pref. italian made.
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:16:34 +0200 From: "Matteo Brandi" To: "classicrendezvous" Subject: [CR]Faliero gossip/pix Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Paparazzis
Im in and out,pizzas waiting,so ill surprise you all with the quickness!P eep this:
Ill try to get back later tonite(if the Chianti gods wont stop me),to wat ch the CR crowd goin berserk!Otherwise,ill see youse all tomorrow!
Oh,for the G.S.PErgolizzi kids out there,the new BVVW t shirt is out!.De sign has a serious lookin Pergolizzi s face on the foreground,with a car toon style balloon that says:"I call the vice despot(me) son,becuz he shi nes like one"All sizes available!Paypal,diamonds,vintage sneakers accepte d.Email for sizes.
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Naiman To: classicrendezvous Subject: [CR]Last thought: Out of collecting finally !! Message-ID: <473299.59159.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5
I'm getting tons of responses so far, atleast twenty so far since posting, so thank you all.
To be fair to everyone, I won't have time to send emails individually to everyone, so as I post parts, or frames, I'll set up a mailing list that will go out to everyone and sales will be on a first call basis. I'll gladly take Paypal if friends will agree to cover the 3-4% that evil Paypal charges. You all know my reputation for being slow as a shipper which might be well deserved, but I promise to ship in a timely manner. If I post a frame I will photo it, and box to get ready for shipping before I post it for sale. Shipping will be once a week, most likely on Monday since my Pizzeria is closed that day.
One or two items that I post might go to private auction if everyone is happy with that, but please trust my honesty with this if I decide to take that approach, as in very rare items only such as NOS Constrictoe BOA pedals, or highflange Prior Hubs. Again, I'm trying to avoid the hastles of Ebay fees etc.
Best regards, Peter Naiman Glendale, WI
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:43:19 EDT From: FujiFish1@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 53, Issue 44 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
I've bought from him before. Generally acceptable, but don't expect perfection. I think he is not responsive once payment has been made, IIRC, but he delivers, as promised.
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI ~ ~ ~
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:09:24 -0400 From: "Sadiq Gill" To: "CR RENDEZVOUS" Subject: [CR]ebay seller: mcivicsi
List member? Any experiences?
-- Sadiq Gill Richmond, VA
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:44:48 EDT From: FujiFish1@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]ebay seller: mcivicsi Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7
Oops! My last post was meant only for Sadiq, offlist. So, don't read it anyone ... OK? lol
Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI USA ~ ~ ~
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:09:24 -0400 From: "Sadiq Gill" To: "CR RENDEZVOUS" Subject: [CR]ebay seller: mcivicsi
List member? Any experiences?
-- Sadiq Gill Richmond, VA
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 22:51:19 +0200 From: Amir Avitzur To: Classicrendezvous Subject: [CR]Re: Why no QR's on Track bikes - now Chain Adjusters Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1255 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8
Years ago, as a desperate teenager, I had my Sears 3-speed frame converted to a track bike. A friend of the family chrome plated the frame after polishing the track ends to a mirror finish.
No matter how hard I tightended the nuts on the rear hub, one side would always slip until the tire rubbed a chainstay.
The only way I found to resolve this problem was to install chain adjusters (Part No. 381, Cyclo-Pedia, 11th Edition).
Later I noticed that I wasn't the only one riding track bikes with chain adjusters, especially on the road.
Chain adjusters were once common on British utility bikes.
Don't know if and when they were common on track bikes.
Amir Avitzur R", Israel
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Rednor To: Classicrendezvous Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Why no QR's on Track bikes - now Chain Adjusters Message-ID: <293625.3474.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 9
> Later I noticed that I wasn't the only one riding > track bikes with chain adjusters, especially on > the road. > > Chain adjusters were once common on British utility > bikes. > > Don't know if and when they were common on track bikes. Amir, They were once common on track bikes, even in the US - although in the more distant past, many track frames seemed to have integrated axle positioning screws. You still see them used, especially on Keirin bikes. For all I know, the NJS mandates their use in those events. I once managed to find the NJS competition regulations, but the text was all in Japanese. Amir, don't you read Japanese? Cheers, Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA), where you can find plenty of Keirin Beer, but no Keirin racing
>
> Amir Avitzur
> R", Israel
>
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 21:47:02 +0000 From: "Nathan Cozzolino" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Alex Singer 58cm Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10
So here's the story...
I'm in Paris now until around June 15th. I had formed a relationship with a guy who offered to sell me his Alex Singer at a great price. Up until now I had planned to buy the bike, but it seems it will just put to much of a financial strain on the rest of my trip.
So anyhow, if anyone is interested in a nicely decked out, black, 58cm x 56cm ctc, late 70's Alex Singer for 2,000 euros, I would be willing to talk and possibly arrange getting it to the states for you. All I would ask is travel expenses and accommodations for the one night it takes for me to make it to his home on the French/Swiss border. I would like to visit him and that area regardless, so I thought this offer could turn out to be mutually beneficial. And also it would be fun for me to hook up someone with this beautiful bike.
I have pictures and all the information on the bike I could email to anyone really interested. As i'm not spending too much of my time at the computer please only ask for them if you're truly considering the offer.
Thanks, Nathan Cozzolino SF, CA > Paris Fr.
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:41:42 GMT From: "mikel66132@juno.com" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Rhode Island Bike Swap May 12 Message-ID: <20070509.164314.7265.351783@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11
Small gathering of about 6-8 vendors at the AS220 on Empire st. in Providence from 2pm-5pm
Mostly the local cycling community plying their wares.
Veteran racer/bike nut Billy Rounds will be there with his usual array of european frames for sale.
Nice taco bar on site
Mike Goldman warwick, r.i. usa
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:46:23 -0400 From: "The Maaslands" To: "CR" Subject: [CR]Faliero gossip/pix Message-ID: <17ef01c79294$434cf300$0200a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12
Matteo posted the Italian newspaper clipping:
http://www.wooljersey.com/
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First part of article:
Title: New Florentine production of racing bike frames.
Sesto Fiorentino (a city in the province of Florence) - Faliberto Esposito (names are often reversed in Italian, especially among craftsmen, so notwithstanding that the article lists the name Esposito Faliberto, you would generally expect the real name to Faliberto Esposito) (it should also be pointed out that the name Esposito used to be given to children born out of wedlock, also known as bastards, to this day every person who has a surname Esposito will find a bastard in their family tree) confirms himself in the production of racing bike frames. "Figlio d'arte" (an Italian expression that means a chip off the old block, but strictly in the sense of a son following in his father's artistic or artisanal footsteps.), Esposito follows in the shadows of his father and half-brother, both top notch mechanics and framebuilders of the Milanese area.
Esposito, who already produces frames for a number of promising Florentine amateurs, is launching the sale of bikes that will carry the Maasi brand. He is not "only" a vendor, nor "only" a mechanic. You won't only find a bike at his place. But YOUR bike. The one made to measure.
With a data sheet ready to be filled out, but only after the measurements have been taken by the directly involved individual. And between the gruppo's, handlebars, saddles, rims, tubulars and freewheels, above all reign the frames. Each one made exclusively to measure, made under the watchful eye of the 44 year-old craftsman, formerly a metal-worker (Italian society often categorizes people by the labor sector they work in) with a long-standing experience as a welder. Prior to setting out on his own, Esposito undertook a 'stage' (something akin to an apprenticeship) in the workshop of Sante Pogliaghi in Milan.
But, please tell us, who would you like to build a bike to measure for, with your own hands?
"If I had to choose a champion of today, I do not have any doubts and say Roberto Visentini." (so the article must be from the early 80's when Visentini was one of the darling children of Italian racing)
Second part of the article:
>From page 4.
Some of the construction details of Faliberto Esposito's bikes. Esposito has taken inspiration from his double Florentine-Milanese culture, including both the lily from our region as well as the serpent from Milan. (so the article must be from a Florentine newspaper)
Esposito favors the use of components produced in Italy, and furthermore has a certain fascination for milled and pantographed componentry. These, in fact, represent one of the strong hands of the Esposito production.
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Matteo can you tell from what period this article is from? Was the article supplied by the guys at the shop who told you about an illegitimate son of Faliero's? I suppose that reading between the lines one can deduce that there might be some ties to the Masi family but it isn't explicitly spelled out. Has anybody ever seen one of these bikes? I have seen and heard of many Massi bikes but this is the first time I hear of Maasi.
Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:06:23 -0700 From: "Donald A. Martinich" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: freitas1@pacbell.net Subject: [CR]Re: Cinelli Production Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13
At 11:42 AM -0700 5/9/07, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org wrote:
> Anyone know what their production numbers were?Might be simple math to
>figure out if production was in house or farmed out. Based on maybe
>20-25 per builder per month( would that be reasonable?) how many
>builders did he have? Did Cupertino bike shop ever actually stock
>framesets or did you have to order and wait?
> BOB
>FREITAS
> MILL VALLEY,
>CA USA
> who was in the little shop(Spences garage) many
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