Re: [CR]Cirque Challenge

> I think that we need to give Zeus a good bit more credit:
> they made both BSC
> and metric (14mm) cranksets and pedals. French-threaded
> hubsets and seat
> posts in dimensions to suit metric sized 531 framesets were
> also made by
> Zeus.
>
> I think that they were very aware of their niche in the
> upgrade market and
> chose to make their components that would work for all bikes
> including
> French ones. I'm pretty certain that the majority of their
> production wasn't
> groupsets going to manufacturers to meet "catalog"
> specifications of stock
> bikes.
>
> Charlie Young
> Honey Brook, PA
> USA
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> From: "Edward Brooks" <eriwinecom@yahoo.com>
> To: <loudeeter@aol.com>; <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>;
> <biankita@comcast.net>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [CR]Why Zeus cranks used French pedal thread?
>
>
>> Semantics and geography aside I think the point is that
> while France may
>> be
>> closer to Spain than Italy is, many of the Zeus components
> are pretty much
>> direct copies of Campagnolo which is obviously from Italy,
> not France. So
>> why would Zeus chose to use French threads? Did their
> marketing determine
>> that while it made more sense to copy Italian rather than
> French
>> components,
>> many of which we know are quite good and some would argue
> as good as
>> Campy;
>> that their target buyer audience would be French cyclists
> and/or cyclists
>> mixing and matching French components with the Zeus parts/
> Seems like
>> strange logic to me...
>>
>> Edward Robert Brooks
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf
> Of
>> loudeeter@aol.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:36 PM
>> To: CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com; biankita@comcast.net;
>> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Why Zeus cranks used French pedal thread?
>>
>> Ahh, I now understand where I missed your point. You meant
> that Spain is
>> closer to France than Spain is to Italy, gotcha. Sorry for
> screwing this
>> up.
>> I missed the meaning of "it". Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: loudeeter@aol.com
>> To: CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com; biankita@comcast.net;
>> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 4:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Why Zeus cranks used French pedal thread?
>>
>>
>> Sheldon, have you looked at a map of Europe lately? I
> believe that Italy
>> and Spain are precisely the same distance from France. I
> would agree that
>> Eibar, Spain (where Zeus is located) is probably closer to
> some territory
>> of
>> France than Vicenza, Italy is from French territory, but
> I'm guessing that
>> the distance from Paris to Vicenza is less than the
> distance from Paris to
>> Eibar. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com
>>
>>
>> Spain is a lot closer to France than it is to Italy...
>>
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:32:59 EDT From: Stronglight49@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Helyett on eBay Message-ID: <cb5.109039bd.33763b0b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4

Folks, It is not my bike, but a very interesting Helyett randonneur-style bike, nicely executed and in quite nice condition has just appeared on the US eBay auction site. Item # 260117055033 . Appears to have a first generation Simplex Prestige rear derailleur, which would help confirm the seller's guess at the age of the bike. I am only familiar with this marques Racing models, so this is an unusual discovery. The model Tour de France decal with Anquetil's image on the seat tube is a surprise - since I would assume this was only seen on their "Speciale" racing bikes, some of which were indeed marketed with that model name. Perhaps Helyett was hoping to use the champion racer's familiarity to promote all of their bikes by this time. The "Buy-it-now" price is VERY high for a rather unfamiliar Marque - and a lesser tier model. The frame would be too small for me to ride or I would be very tempted to take a shot at the bidding on this. Perhaps someone else on the CR list may wish to take a chance.

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:35:42 -0400 From: yavo <fyavorsky@gmail.com> To: chasds@mindspring.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: Campagnolo wide-ratio derailleur Message-ID: <64c247870705111435k613263f8u839f95b83b0ef985@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9640820.1178914506230.JavaMail.root@mswamui- swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9640820.1178914506230.JavaMail.root@mswamui- swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5

That's a Campy Off-Road Record deraileur. I had one on my (since sold) Ouellette "Expedition" bike. More photos of Campagnolo Off-Road group on that bike: http://twistcomm.com/Bikes/Ouellette/Ouellette1.html

Fred Yavorsky

On 5/11/07, chasds@mindspring.com <chasds@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I found this item interesting:
>
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> Is this derailleur essentially the same as the original Rally? Or was
> it designed after the patent on the Suntour slant-parallelogram
> expired?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Charles Andrews
> Los Angeles
> _______________________________________________
>

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:38:54 +0000 From: Doug Smith <douguk2007@hotmail.co.uk> To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]1950's British Cycling Touring Documentary Message-ID: <BAY103-W17638722F8B50758A7B2D690390@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6

John Hudson of London wrote:- Some friends of mine at the bicycle film festival came across thisdocumenta ry from 1955, about day tripping club cyclists from the CTC, and I thought there might be some interest on the list, or at least people

with 15 minutes to kill watching old british touring bikes. Its in 2 parts: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw andhttp://www.yout ube.com/watch?v=WGYngjxJP1I

I am surprised that there has 'nt been a reply or response to this posting, well not on list anyway!

Over the years I and others in the UK have made efforts to try and explain

to the folks in the States the kind of club life and bikes we rode. There i s nothing like experiencing the real thing and those two films get as near to

reality as anyone could get. The pictures are as I remember those days which give a true picture of cycling here in the years of a bygone era .

I know there are many folks in the States who are always interested in our cycling history and wanting to learn more. These films go a long way to fulfilling that interest and give another insight of how it was really like here in the UK.

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:39:30 -0700 From: "Kurt Sperry" <haxixe@gmail.com> To: "Fred Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Why Zeus cranks used French pedal thread? Message-ID: <75d04b480705111439u3f577939jcc320ad558f2c018@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <15192.25697.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <01a801c79412$797c9b40$0a00a8c0@corp.rfweston.com> <15192.25697.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: haxixe@gmail.com Message: 7

Did Campagnolo make French threaded cranksets? I can't remember seeing any before.

Kurt Sperry Bellingham WA USA

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:41:54 EDT From: GRIFFKS@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]...........Campagnolo Hubs on eBay Message-ID: <d12.a751014.33763d22@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8

..........I have just started a long overdue clearout of a spare cupboard and have unearthed amongst many things a stash of old Campagnolo hubs (50's to the 80's) there are 13 in all some are restored and some need restoring but all in good used condition, I have placed these on eBay and you can view on item number 160116151332 or look up my screen name << griffks >> will be happy to send close up pictures if needed, will also be placing some chainsets and derailleurs for sale over the next few days regards Griff King-Spooner (London UK)

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:43:25 -0400 From: Gilbert Anderson <cyclestore@aol.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Cirque Challenge Message-ID: <88cd8ea561a1d9dbd4b9632a46ad3b2e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODa5czsVHN200002349@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODa5czsVHN200002349@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

Now Steven,

Now if that Longstaff has three wheels International Slow Race rules allow you to compete with it; after you remove two of the wheels!

<<Subject: [CR]CIRQUE CHALLENGE !

Ray suggested:

"How about a fixed - wheel / track-stand competition outside the Battleground Inn Hotel...sometime over the Cirque weekend ?. I'm up for it !"

I guess I'll have to bring my George Longstaff then!

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA>>

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:51:07 -0400 From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Cirque Challenge Message-ID: <007801c79416$7b993ce0$3350ff44@ts> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Ray Etherton more or less threw down the gauntlet in an earlier post to have a track stand contest at Cirque. As I recall the last one he was in in occurred in the parking lot of the Battle Ground Inn and John Pergolizzi, (The poor innocent) barely escaped with his life after Ray tried his darndest to run him over... :^) I'm sure John will corroborate this story. I also remember the owner of one of the borrowed bikes involved yelling "You break it, you bought it!" Ah, Cirque memories... Tom Sanders Lansing, Mi USA

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:55:45 -0500 From: "Edward Brooks" <eriwinecom@yahoo.com> To: "'Tom Sanders'" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Cirque Challenge Message-ID: <MONKEYFOODNOQxxPD3J00002357@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> In-Reply-To: <007801c79416$7b993ce0$3350ff44@ts> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: ebrooks@eriwine.com Message: 11

My apologies but this is just too good an opportunity to miss... Sounds like as they used to say- "The fix is in" (so to speak)

Edward Robert Brooks Managing Director Edward Roberts International Auctioneers of the Fine and Rare 1262 West Winwood Drive Lake Forest, Illinois 60045 Phone- 847.295.8696 Facsimile- 847.295.8697 Email- ebrooks@eriwine.com Website- http://www.eriwine.com

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sanders Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:51 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Cirque Challenge

Ray Etherton more or less threw down the gauntlet in an earlier post to have a track stand contest at Cirque. As I recall the last one he was in in occurred in the parking lot of the Battle Ground Inn and John Pergolizzi, (The poor innocent) barely escaped with his life after Ray tried his darndest to run him over... :^) I'm sure John will corroborate this story. I also remember the owner of one of the borrowed bikes involved yelling "You break it, you bought it!" Ah, Cirque memories... Tom Sanders Lansing, Mi USA

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:07:21 -0600 From: "Hutch Tibbetts" <htibbetts@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Biplane fork FS Message-ID: <bd253efc0705111507p2af683fdg32f0dc82eb21bbd8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12

I sent my Bridgestone MB-1 back East to have a more permanent home, but before I did, I replaced its original biplane fork with one that had suspension. So, since then, I've had this lying around and think it's time to let it go. If you're interested, you can see it here:

http://tinyurl.com/yq5uka

If you have any ?s, just let me know.

thanks,

Hutch

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:18:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Why Zeus cranks used French pedal thread? Message-ID: <731227.70007.qm@web30605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <75d04b480705111439u3f577939jcc320ad558f2c018@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 13
> Did Campagnolo make French threaded cranksets?
> I can't remember seeing any before.

I'm guessing you mean pedal threading? I haven't seen them either, even though Campagnolo's French threaded bottom brackets, headsets and hubs are not that uncommon. Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)

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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:50:01 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Bogus Campagnolo hubs? Message-ID: <8C6C14EB-DEF5-4703-82EA-C8846B992A9D@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <284964.91583.qm@web80613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <284964.91583.qm@web80613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14

On May 11, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Ted E. Baer wrote:
> These mid size hubs do not appear in any of the Campagnolo
> catalogs, nor is there any mention of them in the infamous
> Campagnolo Timeline.

Issues Ted?

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, CA USA http://www.velo-retro.com (reprints, t-shirts & timelines)

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