Re: AW: [CR]Very interesting 50's Cinelli and time lines

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Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:46:08 -0700
To: "Schmid" <schmidi@gaponline.de>, "'Dr. Paul J.Wilson'" <paul@wilsondesigns.net>, "'Ken Wallace'" <kwallace@cableone.net>, "'CR'" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
From: "Dr. Paul J.Wilson" <paul@wilsondesigns.net>
Subject: Re: AW: [CR]Very interesting 50's Cinelli and time lines


Hi Michael, Your response was helpful, objectively toward dating, as well as sentimental ly. Thanks, Paul J. Wilson Cell (408) 395-2020, Temecula, California>>(951) 587-3632, San Jose, California 95124, USA>>(408) 377-1710

At 5:03 PM +0200 5-21-07, Schmid wrote:
>This is one of the coolest Cinellis I have seen so far. As far as my
>judgement goes it should be a B-Model which is indicated by the flat
>fork-crown. The dating is really difficult but the Altenburger gruppo
>says early fifties. My B-model has the older lugs (pointed) but no oil
>port hole and simplex dropouts. So now I am completely confused about
>the age. I just admired the hubs with the unique altenburger logo cut
>into the flanges. Red anodising seems to be their trademark. Datewise it
>just tells us - You can not date them correctly, Cinelli used whatever
>was around. I still hope a listmember will get it so we can see some
>more and better pictures.
>
>Regards
>
>
>Michael Schmid
>Germany
>Oberammergau
>Tel.: +49 8821 798790
>Fax.:+49 8821 798791
>mail: schmid@zunterer.com
>www.zunterer.com
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>[mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] Im Auftrag von Dr. Paul
>J.Wilson
>Gesendet: Montag, 21. Mai 2007 16:15
>An: Ken Wallace; CR
>Betreff: [CR]Very interesting 50's Cinelli and time lines
>
>
>Hi Ken, Steven & CR,
>
>I've come to realize that lots of this Cinelli history cannot always
>be traced to an exact time line. Nonetheless, some history can be
>traced, and I am not knowledgeable enough to know which is which. And
>so, the Cinelli we talk about here has no pointed head lugs, yet
>alleges that it is a 50's bike. About what time line did pointed head
>lugs occur.?
>Were non-pointed head lugs available to be used on 50's frames?
>
>Also about what time line did drilling of fork stiffeners and lugs
>begin?
>
>Finally, the fork of this Cinelli is not sloping, what are time lines
>concerning Cinelli fork designs?
>
>Comments from all appreciated.
>
>Paul J. Wilson
>Cell (408) 395-2020, Temecula, California>>(951) 587-3632,
>San Jose, California 95124>>(408) 377-1710,
>
>
>At 5:54 AM -0700 5-21-07, Ken Wallace wrote:
>>It's nearly identical to my silver 1964 Cinelli, except mine does
>>not have the colored Altenburger components and has Sheffield pedals.
>>
>>Ken Wallace, Proprietor
>>Bisbee Bicycle Brothel
>>63-B Brewery Ave.
>>PO Box 1194
>>Bisbee, AZ 85603
>>USA
>>(520) 236-4855 (cell)
>>kwallace@cableone.net (email)
>>www.bisbeebicyclebrothel.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On May 20, 2007, at 9:35 PM, The Maaslands wrote:
>>
>>>For those of you who have become fixated with Cinelli and believe that
>
>>>you have understood something about serial numbers or other build
>>>characteristics that can assure a particular build date or period, I
>>>believe this bike will blow all of your preconceptions away:
>>>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>>ted
>>>_W0QQitemZ260120590590
>>>
>>>On this Cinelli, which I believe to be a variant of the 'B' it becomes
>
>>>absolutely certain that Cinelli did not build 'catalog' stock bikes,
>>>but rather was amenable to build everything to order. So you might as
>>>well stop trying to use today's logic to second guess the year of
>>>production of a given frame by serial number, or even build specifics.
>
>>>With less than 1000 frames being built in any given year, Cinelli
>>>would have been able to build every bike differently.
>>>
>>>By the way, I am presently the high bidder on this bike but expect to
>>>quickly be outbid.
>>>
>>>Steven Maasland
>>>Moorestown, NJ
>>>USA
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>
>
>--
>Paul J. Wilson
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>
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